Bahl is a legitimate top 4. Parekh should easily be able to slot in as #2 RD next year, so that's 3 of 4. We have a wealth of LD ready to make a jump, plus Brzustewicz as #3 RD. It's not nearly as dire as you make it out.
Recently I watched a Gio interview where he reflects on how D. Sutter used to always tell him that it takes an NHL defenseman 300 games to become a true NHL defender, to know the game, not to run around, not to make bad reads in your own zone, etc. With hindsight now Gio agrees. He mentioned that it takes time to learn when to take a run at a player because as a young guy you want to run around and hit everything, so you take a lot of penalties. He also mentioned studying tendencies was very important because you need to know where the forwards release the puck from on their shots, who are the best skaters, who cuts in which way etc.
My point is that it will take Parekh some time and it definitely won't be easy. The same applies to Brzustewicz , Kuznetsov, Solovyov and so on. On the other hand Bahl has 220GP, Bean 260GP, and Hanley 245GP. There's a good chance Bahl and maybe even all 3 take big strides in their defensive game this year.
I actually found the interview:
I recommend watching it if any of you are starved for hockey content. Gio talked about why it took him so long to become a good player, Iginla, Regehr, Bennett, Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
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It feels wild how little the flames have done this offseason. It seems so clearly the right time to sell or pick a lane. Would really like them to get this rasmus situation sorted so we can move to the next step of future planning.
Kadri trade would be next. Clearly he didn’t shut down the rumours at all.
We have not made any bad moves at least. It is an improvement.
But yes, Andersson, Kadri, and Coleman would all be the next to go if it was up to me. They are all good players, just their timelines do not add up with the timeline I believe it will take for us to be competitive.
All 3 will never have a higher value than now. You can argue possibly at the deadline, but there is risk of injury, and risk of us over achieving with them, and turning what should be a top 5 pick into a top 15.
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Kadri is likely to have more value once his NMC changes to a 13-team NTC. You can't get the best value for a player when he can veto any trade.
If the only teams he'll waive for (as rumoured) are Toronto or Montreal, and Montreal isn't interested, you'll be lucky if Toronto offers a roll of stick tape for him. The Leafs have no incentive to make a deal unless they win it walking away in terms of assets.
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I think that they should be careful about trading away too many vets, IMO. You don't want to be handing the keys to the team over to a bunch of youngsters without proper leadership.
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Kadri is likely to have more value once his NMC changes to a 13-team NTC. You can't get the best value for a player when he can veto any trade.
If the only teams he'll waive for (as rumoured) are Toronto or Montreal, and Montreal isn't interested, you'll be lucky if Toronto offers a roll of stick tape for him. The Leafs have no incentive to make a deal unless they win it walking away in terms of assets.
True, but I still think we would have the upper hand in trade negotiations. The Leafs must be desperate to replace Marner's offense, and we are not in any hurry to trade Kadri.
Also, I'm sure their fanbase are PO'ed that Marner left, and re-acquiring Kadri might satiate them a bit, IMO. I still don't think they have much to offer us, that they would be willing to part with.
I still don't think they have much to offer us, that they would be willing to part with.
That's an even more important consideration. Once Kadri is down to a 13-team NTC, it will be possible to trade him to a team that actually has stuff the Flames want.
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That's an even more important consideration. Once Kadri is down to a 13-team NTC, it will be possible to trade him to a team that actually has stuff the Flames want.
We have not made any bad moves at least. It is an improvement.
But yes, Andersson, Kadri, and Coleman would all be the next to go if it was up to me. They are all good players, just their timelines do not add up with the timeline I believe it will take for us to be competitive.
All 3 will never have a higher value than now. You can argue possibly at the deadline, but there is risk of injury, and risk of us over achieving with them, and turning what should be a top 5 pick into a top 15.
But it’s not up to you, for the most part it’s up to them.
Recently I watched a Gio interview where he reflects on how D. Sutter used to always tell him that it takes an NHL defenseman 300 games to become a true NHL defender, to know the game, not to run around, not to make bad reads in your own zone, etc. With hindsight now Gio agrees. He mentioned that it takes time to learn when to take a run at a player because as a young guy you want to run around and hit everything, so you take a lot of penalties. He also mentioned studying tendencies was very important because you need to know where the forwards release the puck from on their shots, who are the best skaters, who cuts in which way etc.
My point is that it will take Parekh some time and it definitely won't be easy. The same applies to Brzustewicz , Kuznetsov, Solovyov and so on. On the other hand Bahl has 220GP, Bean 260GP, and Hanley 245GP. There's a good chance Bahl and maybe even all 3 take big strides in their defensive game this year.
I actually found the interview:
I recommend watching it if any of you are starved for hockey content. Gio talked about why it took him so long to become a good player, Iginla, Regehr, Bennett, Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
if Bean takes a big stride, I will gladly eat my hat.
Honestly I thought Backlund took a pretty big step back defensively last year. I think Frost is a better two way C now personally. I could live with Kadri, Zary, Frost, Backlund down the middle myself but Huska won't. Can't wait to see Backlund on PP 2 again....good Lord.
1st on the team for play driving
1st on the team for forwards for ice time against elite opposition
Only forward above 50% against elite competition
He's still the best they have.
But he's 36? Father time is coming. But it's his to lose based on his metrics last year.
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Agreed - If the Flames wanted a low pick Backlund is the guy you move as it leaves a giant hole in the lineup
I know why you don’t unless he asks . He’s the guy I hope asks to cup chase at the deadline but I don’t see it (assuming we’re not in a playoff contention spot)
if Bean takes a big stride, I will gladly eat my hat.
You're probably right, and it's wishful thinking on my part, but he looked pretty good playing with Weegar. Which says more about Weegar than about Bean, but he wasn't completely terrible, or looked out of place on the 3rd pairing either. I probably have him, Hanley and Pachal around the same level.
Recently I watched a Gio interview where he reflects on how D. Sutter used to always tell him that it takes an NHL defenseman 300 games to become a true NHL defender, to know the game, not to run around, not to make bad reads in your own zone, etc. With hindsight now Gio agrees. He mentioned that it takes time to learn when to take a run at a player because as a young guy you want to run around and hit everything, so you take a lot of penalties. He also mentioned studying tendencies was very important because you need to know where the forwards release the puck from on their shots, who are the best skaters, who cuts in which way etc.
My point is that it will take Parekh some time and it definitely won't be easy. The same applies to Brzustewicz , Kuznetsov, Solovyov and so on. On the other hand Bahl has 220GP, Bean 260GP, and Hanley 245GP. There's a good chance Bahl and maybe even all 3 take big strides in their defensive game this year.
I actually found the interview:
I recommend watching it if any of you are starved for hockey content. Gio talked about why it took him so long to become a good player, Iginla, Regehr, Bennett, Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
Some fans including people on this site should have a listen. Because they think big hits, etc. are the sign of a good defensive defenceman.
1st on the team for play driving
1st on the team for forwards for ice time against elite opposition
Only forward above 50% against elite competition
He's still the best they have.
But he's 36? Father time is coming. But it's his to lose based on his metrics last year.
People just don't get the ice time required of the shutdown centre, especially where you don't have a great two way guy like Barkov or Kopitar as your 1C.
Maybe a guy like Frost can assume some of the load, but relegating the best defensive centre on the team to 4C is a recipe for disaster. Obviously great for the tankers. Not so great for Wolf.
Recently I watched a Gio interview where he reflects on how D. Sutter used to always tell him that it takes an NHL defenseman 300 games to become a true NHL defender, to know the game, not to run around, not to make bad reads in your own zone, etc. With hindsight now Gio agrees. He mentioned that it takes time to learn when to take a run at a player because as a young guy you want to run around and hit everything, so you take a lot of penalties. He also mentioned studying tendencies was very important because you need to know where the forwards release the puck from on their shots, who are the best skaters, who cuts in which way etc.
My point is that it will take Parekh some time and it definitely won't be easy. The same applies to Brzustewicz , Kuznetsov, Solovyov and so on. On the other hand Bahl has 220GP, Bean 260GP, and Hanley 245GP. There's a good chance Bahl and maybe even all 3 take big strides in their defensive game this year.
I actually found the interview:
I recommend watching it if any of you are starved for hockey content. Gio talked about why it took him so long to become a good player, Iginla, Regehr, Bennett, Tkachuk and Gaudreau.
Thanks for posting. I always thought he would join Treliving in management.
And whoever is in charge of the highlight package to go along with that interview is seriously confused. We have clips of john scott at the all star game. We have Gio in his twilight years barely able to skate the puck out of his zone in a leafs jersey whilst they talk about his Norris trophy. Yeesh.
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You're probably right, and it's wishful thinking on my part, but he looked pretty good playing with Weegar. Which says more about Weegar than about Bean, but he wasn't completely terrible, or looked out of place on the 3rd pairing either. I probably have him, Hanley and Pachal around the same level.
That's why I want to see a few games of Kuznetsov with Weegar, hopefully the whole season. I think Kuznetsov can be a legitimate top 4 D and I would hope that Weegar can help him get there faster with Weegar's super power of lifting up his partner.
A year of development of Kuznetsov into a NHLer would be a big boon for the Flames as opposed to watching Hanley hang with Weegar.
Also, I haven't been the biggest fan of Bean, but if he could take that next step it would be quite the delight. He was drafted 13OA and just never seemed to live up to his draft pedigree. However, if it comes down to a choice between them, I'd rather see Kuznetsov come up through the ranks.
I think that they should be careful about trading away too many vets, IMO. You don't want to be handing the keys to the team over to a bunch of youngsters without proper leadership.
I agree. You need the vets to help the youngsters understand what it takes to compete in this league. But in addition, you also need the vets especially during losing streaks / stretches. Winning no doubt helps motivation for players in between games, so not too much of an issue. But learning how to stay professional between losses (or long stretches of losses) is probably the hardest part especially for a young team.
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