07-17-2025, 10:18 PM
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#5361
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Franchise Player
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Trading Rasmus won't signal some big selloff its will just be more of the same...trade an older player who wants too much money/term for younger players and or assets
Lindholm, Tanev, Zadorov, Taffoli ect.
Kadri has lots of term left and is living up to his contract
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07-17-2025, 10:49 PM
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#5362
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
it depends on the acquisition cost.
If you can swap Rasmus for Robertson then you get a better and younger player.
That's a win.
I doubt that deal is on the table. But that was my premise.
All comes down to acquisition cost.
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Absolutely. If you can trade Andersson and a small add then that makes sense even just from just an asset management perspective. But realistically the Flames are going to need to add something substantial.
I think your looking at something like Andersson + Zary. Maybe a bit more.
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07-17-2025, 10:53 PM
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#5363
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Trading Rasmus won't signal some big selloff its will just be more of the same...trade an older player who wants too much money/term for younger players and or assets
Lindholm, Tanev, Zadorov, Taffoli ect.
Kadri has lots of term left and is living up to his contract
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Trading him alone maybe not. But we traded Tanev and Zadorov, then Hanafin, now Andersson. Weegar is the last legitimate top 4 we have left. At some point you cant plug the holes anymore.
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07-17-2025, 10:59 PM
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#5364
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kehatch
Trading him alone maybe not. But we traded Tanev and Zadorov, then Hanafin, now Andersson. Weegar is the last legitimate top 4 we have left. At some point you cant plug the holes anymore.
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Bahl is a legitimate top 4. Parekh should easily be able to slot in as #2 RD next year, so that's 3 of 4. We have a wealth of LD ready to make a jump, plus Brzustewicz as #3 RD. It's not nearly as dire as you make it out.
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07-17-2025, 11:01 PM
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#5365
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Powerplay Quarterback
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All in on McTavish even if we have to slightly overpay in roster talent.
Are there any McTavish and Flames rumblings out there @insiders?
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07-17-2025, 11:09 PM
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#5366
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Draft Pick
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Cow town
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Where the hell are all the memes! Cold turkey after such a high isn’t fair
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07-17-2025, 11:25 PM
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#5367
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Trading Rasmus won't signal some big selloff its will just be more of the same...trade an older player who wants too much money/term for younger players and or assets
Lindholm, Tanev, Zadorov, Taffoli ect.
Kadri has lots of term left and is living up to his contract
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Sounds like the perfect time to sell high on him.
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07-17-2025, 11:30 PM
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#5368
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Groot
Bahl is a legitimate top 4. Parekh should easily be able to slot in as #2 RD next year, so that's 3 of 4. We have a wealth of LD ready to make a jump, plus Brzustewicz as #3 RD. It's not nearly as dire as you make it out.
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Flames have three legit NHLers: Bahl, Parekh, Weager.
And five legit defensive prospects.
Kuznetzov
Morin
BRZ
Mews
Solovyov
Flames look set for years to come on the backend.
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The fact Gullfoss is not banned for life on here is such an embarrassment. Just a joke.
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07-17-2025, 11:41 PM
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#5369
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GullFoss
Flames have three legit NHLers: Bahl, Parekh, Weager.
And five legit defensive prospects.
Kuznetzov
Morin
BRZ
Mews
Solovyov
Flames look set for years to come on the backend.
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I think Grushnikov could be a solid 3rd pair stay-at-home defender as well. But yes, the Flames are solid in that position for a while, with a few not far out.
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07-17-2025, 11:47 PM
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#5370
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Sandman
With the fact that he's 26, and seems to be topping out as a 40-45 point player (perhaps less on our team), maybe asking him to be a top-6 center is a bit too much. I guess there's always hope for more, but he's an excellent two-way player as it is.
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Yeah, if this build goes well we'd find a number one centre somehow and Frost would be our awesome, 2 way third line centre when we're ready to contend.
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07-17-2025, 11:59 PM
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#5371
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#1 Goaltender
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I really don’t want to target Robertson in a trade unless it’s to flip him for something else. I know he has put up impressive numbers but I just don’t see a play driver in him. I think he has already had the best season he will ever have (production-wise) and I think his next contract will be one that the signing team will regret.
The one I’m not sure on is McTavish. Has he shown any projection of being a play-driving center? In the few Anaheim games I’ve watched, Carlsson absolutely stands out as a future play-driver but I can’t say I’ve seen that from McTavish. He was drafted higher in his draft year than originally projected (Anaheim loves doing that). He had an incredible World Juniors performance though and has put up points in NHL. But is he the guy carrying the puck up the ice on his line and making zone entries? Not saying he’s not worth acquiring, I’m just wondering what his projection is at this point? You can’t expect to get a future Barkov or McKinnon in a trade but what skillset is is biggest strength? I’m not a fan of the cost to acquire McTavish as it likely means giving up at least two of the following: Vegas 1st, Zary and the returns from the eventual Andersson trade.
Honestly, I would just keep the plan simple:
Keep the young players that are showing promise.
Trade the vets that can return good value (eg. Andersson, Coleman and Kadri) for picks and prospects.
Make the picks.
Develop the players.
Don’t forget sign any big free agents until this team has a core of players that are mostly under the age of 30 and the team is in its competitive window.
Last edited by stemit14; 07-18-2025 at 12:03 AM.
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07-18-2025, 12:07 AM
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#5372
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niemo
All in on McTavish even if we have to slightly overpay in roster talent.
Are there any McTavish and Flames rumblings out there @insiders?
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Not that I have heard.
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07-18-2025, 12:11 AM
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#5373
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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IMO, there's every reason to target Robertson in a trade, even if he doesn't play C- he led the Stars in scoring in 2 out of the last 3 years (one year by 31 points), he's young and not yet in his prime(25), and puts up offense in the playoffs.
My problem with acquiring him is that I keep having premonitions that he'll be another Huberdeau here. Just my opinion- otherwise, I would have no problem giving up the necessary assets.
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07-18-2025, 12:18 AM
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#5374
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by stemit14
I really don’t want to target Robertson in a trade unless it’s to flip him for something else. I know he has put up impressive numbers but I just don’t see a play driver in him. I think he has already had the best season he will ever have (production-wise) and I think his next contract will be one that the signing team will regret.
The one I’m not sure on is McTavish. Has he shown any projection of being a play-driving center? In the few Anaheim games I’ve watched, Carlsson absolutely stands out as a future play-driver but I can’t say I’ve seen that from McTavish. He was drafted higher in his draft year than originally projected (Anaheim loves doing that). He had an incredible World Juniors performance though and has put up points in NHL. But is he the guy carrying the puck up the ice on his line and making zone entries? Not saying he’s not worth acquiring, I’m just wondering what his projection is at this point? You can’t expect to get a future Barkov or McKinnon in a trade but what skillset is is biggest strength? I’m not a fan of the cost to acquire McTavish as it likely means giving up at least two of the following: Vegas 1st, Zary and the returns from the eventual Andersson trade.
Honestly, I would just keep the plan simple:
Keep the young players that are showing promise.
Trade the vets that can return good value (eg. Andersson, Coleman and Kadri) for picks and prospects.
Make the picks.
Develop the players.
Don’t forget sign any big free agents until this team has a core of players that are mostly under the age of 30 and the team is in its competitive window.
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McTavish has looked pretty flawed and weak at carrying the puck/zone entries when I've watched. But it's been limited. But if you're not gonna get your number one center through the draft and you're not a desirable market then you pretty much gotta go for a flawed, available through trade guy and hope that he realizes potential/evolves as a player.
Only crappy thing is you're gonna pay through the ***, even for a flawed, high draft pick that hasn't started to live up to potential. You're taking a chance, but you almost have to take that chance if you're not going to fully rebuild.
So far he looks like 40-55 points a year, and visually looks on the small and less intimating end of first line centers (please, someone bring up Crosby again!  ), but knowing where we're headed (not likely getting a first line center from anywhere) I'd just put our chips in with Andersson and add like ****, rather than use Andersson to get a meh pick, meh prospect and meh NHL player which is 100% going to be what happpens, btw.
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07-18-2025, 12:20 AM
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#5375
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niemo
All in on McTavish even if we have to slightly overpay in roster talent.
Are there any McTavish and Flames rumblings out there @insiders?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Not that I have heard.
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Which is fine as you guys don't typically have the first rumblings, you have info once the ball starts rolling on a rumor.
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07-18-2025, 12:27 AM
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#5376
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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No, Mason McTavish is not really a play-driver, but he's absolutely going to be a difference-maker, and that's what matters the most. Sean Monahan wasn't really a play-driver either, but you give him a skilled winger and let the good times roll. McT plays a bit more of a power game, and he does well on the cycle.
I'm very familiar with McT, and I think he'll be a playoff beast, and perhaps a future Captain- like I've said, I would back up the truck to get him. Would I pay more for Carlsson? Of course, but he's not going anywhere.
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07-18-2025, 12:30 AM
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#5377
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
McTavish has looked pretty flawed and weak at carrying the puck/zone entries when I've watched. But it's been limited. But if you're not gonna get your number one center through the draft and you're not a desirable market then you pretty much gotta go for a flawed, available through trade guy and hope that he realizes potential/evolves as a player.
Only crappy thing is you're gonna pay through the ***, even for a flawed, high draft pick that hasn't started to live up to potential. You're taking a chance, but you almost have to take that chance if you're not going to fully rebuild.
So far he looks like 40-55 points a year, and visually looks on the small and less intimating end of first line centers (please, someone bring up Crosby again!  ), but knowing where we're headed (not likely getting a first line center from anywhere) I'd just put our chips in with Andersson and add like ****, rather than use Andersson to get a meh pick, meh prospect and meh NHL player which is 100% going to be what happpens, btw.
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I agree with the final sentence, I'd also rather go Andersson + to get a better piece. Other than that though, McTavish is listed at just over 6"0 and at 219 lbs, so he's not small. He just had 52 points in 76 games, or a 56 point pace, as a 22-year old, on a team that scored less than the Flames last season. If you could pry him away somehow or in a 3-team trade you take that chance all the time.
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07-18-2025, 12:35 AM
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#5378
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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That might be an old measurement, as he's listed at 6'1" on EP and hockeydb- not that it matters much. He's built like a football player.
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07-18-2025, 12:41 AM
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#5379
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
That might be an old measurement, as he's listed at 6'1" on EP and hockeydb- not that it matters much. He's built like a football player.
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I saw 6.01 on hockeydb and wasn't sure how to read that measurement lol so I took their 185cm listing which converts to 72.8"
He's definitely got the frame to play a hard-hitting game in the playoffs.
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07-18-2025, 12:47 AM
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#5380
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
IMO, there's every reason to target Robertson in a trade, even if he doesn't play C- he led the Stars in scoring in 2 out of the last 3 years (one year by 31 points), he's young and not yet in his prime(25), and puts up offense in the playoffs.
My problem with acquiring him is that I keep having premonitions that he'll be another Huberdeau here. Just my opinion- otherwise, I would have no problem giving up the necessary assets.
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Huberdeau is a pp if the flames as a group have a reasonable pp.
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