Some (you) people just don't get the what Cherry was paid to do and that was provide opinion, controversy and debate topics of the day. That was his gig! It wasn't to provide mundane analysis on PP1.
Of course he had controversial views, he was Don Cherry and was from a different generation. Things change, times change, people change. This obsession people have with comparisons and gotcha videos from back in the day is comical. He said this and that? Big deal. Go watch any tv show from the 80, 90's and 00's. They were saying the same thing and even worse because of the age difference.
The TV show Friends, a relatively modern show about 20 something progressives living in NYC used homophobic slurs, uncomfortable trans feelings and comedy to make billions. Throw in making fun of fat people and it's comical to think what would happen with the modern version.
I miss the guy on HNIC and it was way more exciting then but he didn't have much runway left on the show given his age and how covid shut down sports. If Rogers wanted to fire him, that is their right although I don't think it warranted a firing. He should have been given a few weeks for things to cool down and perhaps have a final Coaches Corner and goodbye.
I would love to hear his opinion on the new CBA dress code for players and no more suits!
Some (you) people just don't get the what Cherry was paid to do and that was provide opinion, controversy and debate topics of the day. That was his gig! It wasn't to provide mundane analysis on PP1.
Of course he had controversial views, he was Don Cherry and was from a different generation. Things change, times change, people change. This obsession people have with comparisons and gotcha videos from back in the day is comical. He said this and that? Big deal. Go watch any tv show from the 80, 90's and 00's. They were saying the same thing and even worse because of the age difference.
The TV show Friends, a relatively modern show about 20 something progressives living in NYC used homophobic slurs, uncomfortable trans feelings and comedy to make billions. Throw in making fun of fat people and it's comical to think what would happen with the modern version.
I miss the guy on HNIC and it was way more exciting then but he didn't have much runway left on the show given his age and how covid shut down sports. If Rogers wanted to fire him, that is their right although I don't think it warranted a firing. He should have been given a few weeks for things to cool down and perhaps have a final Coaches Corner and goodbye.
I would love to hear his opinion on the new CBA dress code for players and no more suits!
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As a kid I used to love watching Don Cherry every Saturday hoping he'd say something good about my team. But even then I understood that his opinions were antiquated and tinged with negativity bordering on hatred. If you were a Canadian (but not Quebecois) or later American (but depends on the type of American) who played a certain way, dressed a certain way and revered the old guys like Cherry, he loved you. But he had a negative thing to say about almost everyone else including Quebecois, Europeans, women, homosexuals and immigrants. It was largely a platform to elevate a certain kind of person and #### on everyone else. And it was on Canada's public broadcaster. The fact that he was from a different generation isn't a proverbial get-out-of-jail card for saying any stupid or cruel thing.
Times change and people change, as you said. The TV shows that you reference were of their time and the one's that really had a long run changed with the times. The one's that didn't have a long run were often victims of their inability to change with the times. Cherry certainly didn't. So, why is he owed anything when he stubbornly clings to his mean-girl schtick while most people in the world are trying to be a little nicer to each other?
I agree that television is primarily for entertainment. It's even better when it's entertaining and informative. While some people may have found Cherry informative, I think most people tuned in just for the bombast. Similar to Trump, often it was difficult for him to put together a coherent sentence and when he managed to make a clear point it was often ridiculous and/or ignorant. In my opinion, Cherry was around 10-20 years too long. Same goes for Maclean now.
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The consensus seems to be that Coach's Corner was well past its expiry yet Rogers kept trotting it out every Saturday fully knowing this but didn't care because all they cared about was propping up TV ratings. Rogers also deserves a lot of criticism because they knew full well what they had with Cherry, his views, what he was capable of, and they were willing to exploit Cherry for as long as they could milk it as they all knew that the day would come when Cherry would say something like that but they didn't care about protecting Cherry or the legacy of Coach's Corner. They just cared about milking it as long as they possibly could for ratings.
That’s why I think Tim Cherry is so scummy. He’s the CEO/manager/agent of Don Cherry Inc., and Don is the talent. His dad has been his meal ticket for his entire adult life. It’s basically the relationship of a child actor exploited by his parents, but in reverse.
It’s bad enough for a network to exploit a senile 80-something who had descended into embarrassing cringe. But for his son to do it is much worse.
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MacLean is universally hated by all Canadians. I can't think of one person that wants to see or hear him on HNIC anymore. SN clearly doesn't care though, it's pretty obvious from many moves they have made they don't give a crap about customers.
I think what is missing is the betrayal here; Ron and Don were really good buddies for many years, and did a lot of charity work for many communities.
Coaches Corner to me were characters played for viewers and ratings, which generated high advertising revenue, and created a narrative beyond the 10 minutes or whatever they were given on Saturday night. Unfortunately, they became caricatures of themselves and ultimately they had nowhere to take the story.
I loved the Rock ‘em videos, until I grew up and recognized the permanent damage that was being done. Lots of understanding has changed the mentality of headshots and fighting, and I would say that lots of understanding has happened as well in relationships and understanding between people. Maybe I’m wrong, but to me Coaches Corner is both a product and reflection of the time, nothing more and nothing less. I can’t even watch the rock ‘em now.
Coaches Corner is gone and should have been gracefully retired long before “the events” that got it removed.
Why Ron Maclean is trying to be the next story here…who knows?
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That’s why I think Tim Cherry is so scummy. He’s the CEO/manager/agent of Don Cherry Inc., and Don is the talent. His dad has been his meal ticket for his entire adult life. It’s basically the relationship of a child actor exploited by his parents, but in reverse.
It’s bad enough for a network to exploit a senile 80-something who had descended into embarrassing cringe. But for his son to do it is much worse.
Maybe Tim worked for his dad because Tim was so ill his whole life. Don realized that Rose wouldn't be around to help look after Tim so Don hired him on to work with himself.
But you continue to make generalizations about a father and son working together.
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I suppose it says a little about Cherry's legacy in Canada - and maybe the power of nostalgia - that even some of the most rational and forward thinking people on this board are performing all kinds of literary gymnastics to avoid labelling him for what he really was.
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I suppose it says a little about Cherry's legacy in Canada - and maybe the power of nostalgia - that even some of the most rational and forward thinking people on this board are performing all kinds of literary gymnastics to avoid labelling him for what he really was.
Only the most progressive among us can use broad brush strokes and labels to sum up peoples lives.
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That’s why I think Tim Cherry is so scummy. He’s the CEO/manager/agent of Don Cherry Inc., and Don is the talent. His dad has been his meal ticket for his entire adult life. It’s basically the relationship of a child actor exploited by his parents, but in reverse.
It’s bad enough for a network to exploit a senile 80-something who had descended into embarrassing cringe. But for his son to do it is much worse.
Is there some information you have that you're not sharing with everyone? That's some huge accusations you're making without an tangible proof to back it up, just your assumptions. By all accounts he's a talented producer in his own right, yes his content tends to focus on his father but the two television series he made about Don are well reviewed and weren't done in a quick hack cash grab way.
There is zero accounts of him pushing his father out into the public. Do you really think Don Cherry.. Don ####ing Cherry of all people wouldn't still be out doing Coach's Corner to this day if he didn't have his son? You're assuming Don Cherry wanted to settle into the quiet life, which is nonsense.
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I suppose it says a little about Cherry's legacy in Canada - and maybe the power of nostalgia - that even some of the most rational and forward thinking people on this board are performing all kinds of literary gymnastics to avoid labelling him for what he really was.
The word you are looking for is bigot. He was bigoted on national TV for decades.
I'm not a fan of calling everything "woke" and overreacting to anything said, but yes Don Cherry was absolutely a bigot in what he said and stood for. It's absurd to suggest otherwise.
MacLean is universally hated by all Canadians. I can't think of one person that wants to see or hear him on HNIC anymore. SN clearly doesn't care though, it's pretty obvious from many moves they have made they don't give a crap about customers.
No, he's not universally hated, that's an absurd take.
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Came across like he was more important and smarter than everyone else.
Talked down his nose to too many.
Thank-you for that accurate summary. I’ve only started reading through this thread. I read Ron’s book many years ago. When I finished, I remember having a negative view of someone I previously respected.
When the question was asked about specifics, I immediately thought I don’t want to go through the effort of revisiting that self indulgent dross to provide them.
Your summary is perfect.
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just don't get the what Cherry was paid to do and that was provide opinion, controversy and debate topics of the day. That was his gig! It wasn't to provide mundane analysis on PP1.
