07-13-2025, 05:11 PM
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#4501
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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2 years for Seguin, and Robertson, Harley, and Bourque are all up next summer.
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07-13-2025, 05:14 PM
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#4502
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Franchise Player
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Bichsel seems like a player Conroy would definitely have interest in.
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07-13-2025, 05:16 PM
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#4503
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
I see we are at the point in the thread where the pessimistic posters will keep driving the expectation down post by post. Waiting for the Andersson for a signed 4x8 of Sergei Zubov.
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Whatever we get it will be worse than what we should have got, that is for sure.
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07-13-2025, 05:31 PM
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#4504
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
Bischel+Bourque+2nd for Andersson+Pospisil
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There’s no way Bischel is available with 2 years left on his ELC. That’s extremely valuable for Dallas. I even find it hard for Bourque to be available too.
I think Dallas will try and get another team to retain 50% of Andersson.
My guess:
To 3rd party team: 2028 4th for 50% R. Andersson ($1,137,500) used
To CGY: 2027 1st, Bertucci, 2026 7th (DAL) —> 50% retention, $2,275,000 x 1
To DAL: Andersson (75% retention: $1,137,500 x 1)
People will say that’s too little, I say it’s what we will get for a non-extended Andersson.
Thought about Lybushkin going the other way and Coleman coming back, but I doubt the Flames use all retention spots for one season. Probably want to save one down the road, and a Coleman deal likely went out the window once Faksa was signed to a 2m deal in Dallas. This gives Dallas one more roster spot to fill at 775-800k, in which they likely just use as a spot the minor leaguers can fight over.
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07-13-2025, 05:43 PM
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#4505
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
I see we are at the point in the thread where the pessimistic posters will keep driving the expectation down post by post. Waiting for the Andersson for a signed 4x8 of Sergei Zubov.
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Andersson type players, with years left on their contract, generally return value somewhere in and around 1st + 2nd + 2nd.
If Conroy can get that sort of value out of Ras? Huge win in my eyes. That's all I could hope for because it would be the most a defenceman has returned with limited term left since Hampus Lindholm, who returned 1st + 2nd + 2nd + Urho Vaakanainen over 3 years ago.
That trade was a homerun by the Ducks. If that's the type of return that Conroy can pull on Andersson? Everyone should be applauding.
...but that trade was also the outlier, and hasn't been matched in 3 years.
My hope?
1st + 2nd or 1st + equivelant to a 2nd. That I'd look at as a 'fair' trade. Anything above that is a big ol W for Conroy.
I wouldn't expect Robertson to be involved in a deal like this - as if he was, it'd have to be part of a more complicated stretch of moves by the Stars because there's no way they subtract from their roster in THAT menaingful of a way without also adding to it in another fashion. Simply subtracting Robertson and adding Andersson doesn't service their Stanley Cup aspirations. Adding Andersson and keeping Robertson does, or adding Andersson, subtracting Robertson, and adding another top-end forward does (and they'd have to shop elsewhere, as CGY doesn't hold a forward of that level) - and doubly so on the Johnston front. I see absolutely zero circumstances where they trade Hintz or Johnston because they aren't going to get a centre as good or better than either of them in a trade, and subtracting them in that style does not service their Stanley Cup aspirations.
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07-13-2025, 06:16 PM
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#4506
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Andersson type players, with years left on their contract, generally return value somewhere in and around 1st + 2nd + 2nd.
If Conroy can get that sort of value out of Ras? Huge win in my eyes. That's all I could hope for because it would be the most a defenceman has returned with limited term left since Hampus Lindholm, who returned 1st + 2nd + 2nd + Urho Vaakanainen over 3 years ago.
That trade was a homerun by the Ducks. If that's the type of return that Conroy can pull on Andersson? Everyone should be applauding.
...but that trade was also the outlier, and hasn't been matched in 3 years.
My hope?
1st + 2nd or 1st + equivelant to a 2nd. That I'd look at as a 'fair' trade. Anything above that is a big ol W for Conroy.
I wouldn't expect Robertson to be involved in a deal like this - as if he was, it'd have to be part of a more complicated stretch of moves by the Stars because there's no way they subtract from their roster in THAT menaingful of a way without also adding to it in another fashion. Simply subtracting Robertson and adding Andersson doesn't service their Stanley Cup aspirations. Adding Andersson and keeping Robertson does, or adding Andersson, subtracting Robertson, and adding another top-end forward does (and they'd have to shop elsewhere, as CGY doesn't hold a forward of that level) - and doubly so on the Johnston front. I see absolutely zero circumstances where they trade Hintz or Johnston because they aren't going to get a centre as good or better than either of them in a trade, and subtracting them in that style does not service their Stanley Cup aspirations.
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It will be impossible to keep the Stars core entirely intact next year. Seguin is till on the books with a full NMC and a couple of big RFA contracts are going to be needed.
They have $27.98M in cap space
- Robertson is up with Arbitration rights - likely asking for $11+M? With 41, 46, 29, 35 goal seasons he should be asking for Rantanen money...
- Harley is up with Arbitration rights - likely asking for $9M after Dobson.
- Lundkvist is up with Arbitration rights - should be cheap. $2M?
- Bourque is up again - he is going to want an opportunity eventually.... How will he ever get play time behind Hintz, Johnston, Duchene, Seguin, etc. ($2M?)
Signing their RFAs still only gets them to 12F / 6D / 2G but those 4 guys would eat up all of the available cap space. Adding Andersson to the mix means the Stars are likely $8M over the cap when his extension kicks in.
Unless they LTIR someone for the entire season, a big contract needs to move out before 2026-27.
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07-13-2025, 06:16 PM
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#4507
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Franchise Player
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I can see Dallas considering Robertson, for cap reasons.
Andersson 50% + Coleman $1.2M retained ($6M) --> Robertson + Bichsel ($9M)
Dallas trades 1 key player and a young player for 2 key players, and save $3M.
Flames trades two vets for one player entering their prime and one young player.
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07-13-2025, 06:18 PM
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#4508
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
There’s no way Bischel is available with 2 years left on his ELC. That’s extremely valuable for Dallas. I even find it hard for Bourque to be available too.
I think Dallas will try and get another team to retain 50% of Andersson.
My guess:
To 3rd party team: 2028 4th for 50% R. Andersson ($1,137,500) used
To CGY: 2027 1st, Bertucci, 2026 7th (DAL) —> 50% retention, $2,275,000 x 1
To DAL: Andersson (75% retention: $1,137,500 x 1)
People will say that’s too little, I say it’s what we will get for a non-extended Andersson.
Thought about Lybushkin going the other way and Coleman coming back, but I doubt the Flames use all retention spots for one season. Probably want to save one down the road, and a Coleman deal likely went out the window once Faksa was signed to a 2m deal in Dallas. This gives Dallas one more roster spot to fill at 775-800k, in which they likely just use as a spot the minor leaguers can fight over.
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If that's the best we can do I would rather give Andersson his 8 year deal and keep him. We have the space and you can always try and move him later.
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07-13-2025, 06:29 PM
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#4509
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Flamescuprun2018
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I wouldn't mind this at all. Hemming struggled in his first season in North America, with only 48 points in 60 games for the Colts (8 goals and 15 points in 16 playoff games), but like you said- he's still raw, and a project. He did put up 22 points in his last 22 games, though. 6'2", excellent skater, with a wide array of deadly shots.
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07-13-2025, 06:29 PM
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#4510
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
If that's the best we can do I would rather give Andersson his 8 year deal and keep him. We have the space and you can always try and move him later.
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It is way too little. People have to try and remember that there are at least half a dozen teams in on the conversation and actively bidding on Andersson.
If the best Dallas can do is a (late) 2027 first, a low grade prospect (that plays a position that the Flames do not need) and a 7th round pick that is nearly useless AND they want the Flames to use the second of three retention slots for the year... I think every team except VGK and Leafs can beat that offer with minimal effort.
Sharks = Bystedt ++? (lots of options)
Red Wings = Lots of picks available and a couple of good young Cs.
Bruins = Lots of 1st round picks, couple of young C prospects
Hurricane = No picks this year after the Stars' first but have all their 2027 picks and could move a young C with Aho and Jarvis in place
More teams are rumoured to be in on Andersson but those examples are likely enough to set the bar higher than a spare parts offer from the Stars that doesn't hurt them at all (and doesn't help the Flames much either).
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07-13-2025, 06:52 PM
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#4511
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wolven
It is way too little. People have to try and remember that there are at least half a dozen teams in on the conversation and actively bidding on Andersson.
If the best Dallas can do is a (late) 2027 first, a low grade prospect (that plays a position that the Flames do not need) and a 7th round pick that is nearly useless AND they want the Flames to use the second of three retention slots for the year... I think every team except VGK and Leafs can beat that offer with minimal effort.
Sharks = Bystedt ++? (lots of options)
Red Wings = Lots of picks available and a couple of good young Cs.
Bruins = Lots of 1st round picks, couple of young C prospects
Hurricane = No picks this year after the Stars' first but have all their 2027 picks and could move a young C with Aho and Jarvis in place
More teams are rumoured to be in on Andersson but those examples are likely enough to set the bar higher than a spare parts offer from the Stars that doesn't hurt them at all (and doesn't help the Flames much either).
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I really like the Sharks and Red Wings as trade partners- plenty of good, young assets in their pipelines.
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07-13-2025, 07:05 PM
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#4512
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Scoring Winger
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I don't see why the flames would trade Andersen other then for a 1st rounder or a package for a legit top line forward.
The flames have drafted a ton of quality prospects and have a decent amount of young players on the NHL rosters.
Adding a Bourque doesn't do anything imo. 2 years in drafting, flames are just accumulating similar toys.
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07-13-2025, 07:09 PM
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#4513
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Franchise Player
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I don't like the Stars prospect pool much when it comes to an Andersson trade return. Emil Hemming? Nah, he doesn't even crack the Flames top 10 prospects.
I like Bichsel big time. Huge, mean and a LHD just breaking into the NHL at 21. Him and Bahl would make coming down the left side against the Flames a nightmare for years.
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07-13-2025, 07:17 PM
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#4514
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Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
I don't like the Stars prospect pool much when it comes to an Andersson trade return. Emil Hemming? Nah, he doesn't even crack the Flames top 10 prospects.
I like Bichsel big time. Huge, mean and a LHD just breaking into the NHL at 21. Him and Bahl would make coming down the left side against the Flames a nightmare for years.
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Agreed on all points. The Stars don't have many young assets that should interest us, and I really like Bichsel- but I don't think they will give him up in a trade for Andersson. While it's true that Hemming doesn't crack our top-10 right now, he probably will in a year or two- he just needs time IMO.
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07-13-2025, 07:19 PM
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#4515
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First Line Centre
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So much to unpack. Lots of good points being made
Facts:
Dallas won’t weaken their nhl roster in any trade so will be future heavy
Bischel likely unavailable due to contract/on nhl roster
Bourque unlikely available for same reason
Dallas doesn’t need to worry about 2025-26 season cap wise. Downstream yes, but not for upcoming season
Dallas is in win now mode
Royle has said that Dallas offer is the one to beat. So for all the talk of other teams beating their offer, it seems doubtful
Probably some tweaking, but a fair offer would seem to be 2027 first, Hemming and Bertucci. Maybe bertucci gets subbed out for mid round pick but if Dallas wants Andersson as much as rumored, think something like this pushes this across the finish line if it is only Andersson and not an expanded deal.
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07-13-2025, 07:23 PM
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#4516
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Original FFIV
So much to unpack. Lots of good points being made
Facts:
Dallas won’t weaken their nhl roster in any trade so will be future heavy
Bischel likely unavailable due to contract/on nhl roster
Bourque unlikely available for same reason
Dallas doesn’t need to worry about 2025-26 season cap wise. Downstream yes, but not for upcoming season
Dallas is in win now mode
Royle has said that Dallas offer is the one to beat. So for all the talk of other teams beating their offer, it seems doubtful
Probably some tweaking, but a fair offer would seem to be 2027 first, Hemming and Bertucci. Maybe bertucci gets subbed out for mid round pick but if Dallas wants Andersson as much as rumored, think something like this pushes this across the finish line if it is only Andersson and not an expanded deal.
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A first, Hemming, and Bertucci works for me- Big fan of Bertucci's here.
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07-13-2025, 07:25 PM
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#4517
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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They moved on from Stankoven, don’t see why Bourque is untouchable.
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07-13-2025, 07:27 PM
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#4518
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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They moved on from Stankoven for Mikko Rantanen. Is Andersson the Rantanen of blueliners?
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07-13-2025, 07:30 PM
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#4519
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Franchise Player
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I could see them moving Bichsel+ for a retained & extended Andersson.
Andersson would complete their top 4 nicely with Heiskanen, Harley and Lindell.
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07-13-2025, 07:30 PM
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#4520
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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They want to win now, so yeah. He kind of is.
And Bourque is a level below Stankoven too. It fits.
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