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Old 07-13-2025, 04:01 PM   #4481
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Nothing ground breaking or imminent, but I’d put Dallas as the top bidder for Andersson now.

They want him on that 2nd pairing with Harley.
I feel they’re the team to beat at this point.
Not only are they a good trading partner for the Flames in terms of assets compared to Vegas, they're also a team that should be trading for Andersson. He'd be a good fit for them.

Hope it works out.
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The problem is trading or signing top players is one of the last things you do, not the first. If you trade for McTavish your getting a guy 4 years past his draft with 229 games played. His ELC is expired and he is going to get paid. Your starting your window, trading futures, and making additional high picks unlikely. So you better be ready to build a team around him.

Last time the Flames didn't start trading for these types of players until they had several high draft picks and had Gaudreau, Monahan, Bennett, and several other core players. Even then they had two false starts before drafting Tkachuk and eventually trading for Lindholm and Hanafin.

The Flames should be patient and stop trying to rush the rebuild by desperately trying to find short term fixes. Draft and develop your core, then start looking for these types of moves. Otherwise your just extending the build and condensing your window.
First off, the rule of thumb is just that "signing complimentary vets is the last thing you do in a rebuild". Trading for top players is something you do at any point of time if the trade becomes available and you can fill a weak position by trading from a position of depth.

Aside from that, the problem with what you are saying is that this idea is how you would rebuild a team by tearing it down to the studs and building it back up. This is not what the Flames are doing right now and not what they are going to do within this retool. (I think it is important to identify a retool as changing the roster without years of bottoming out for #1OA draft picks)

If you look at what Conroy was given as a starting point for the roster it explains why a rebuild was never in the cards (see Huberdeau, Kadri, Weegar, etc). After underperforming for 2 years, last season was supposed to be a bottom 5 finish that would have yielded one of those much-needed prospects, but that wasn't in the cards because the team overperformed after being mostly gutted and simply could not out-tank the heavy tanker teams.

I think the Flames will try to bottom out again this season by trading out Andersson and Coleman (and anyone else who asks out) but the Flames are also discovering that the next group of core players are already emerging. Wolf may prevent a high draft pick all on his own and this accelerates the retool schedule.

Also, considering the young players in the org, they are not missing a lot of pieces:

Honzek-?????-Coronato
Suniev-Zary/Reschny-Gridin
Basha-Potter/Misa-Battaglia
Stromgren-King-Klapka

Bahl-Parekh
Kuznetsov/Poirier-Brzustewicz
Solovyov-Mews

Wolf
Sergeev / Cooley / Say / Zarubin

Looking at this list is why I think it makes sense to focus on drafting and trading for high end Cs almost exclusively this year with the objective of filling that #1C spot right away. Getting a 22-24 year old with #1C potential (McTavish, Johnston, etc.) would actually be better than getting an 18 year old because of the progress of the rest of prospect pool.

We do not need said #1C to be the last piece of the puzzle and they do not need to be on their ELC if other impactful pieces are.
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I'll take Mavrik Bourque please and thank you. Robertson or Johnson aren't happening but Bourque is buried on that team. I know he signed a 1-year deal recently but if I'm Conroy that's what I hold out for.
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Fully prepared to not get a significant, young roster player off the Stars in the deal, but I suspect we will talk ourselves into the idea that it's happening. I would imagine their 2027 first (top 10 protected) a decent prospect and some throw in. As most trades are for older star players.

I could see the pick changing to 2nd in 2026 if Conroy doesn't want to wait two years for the first, and then maybe that helps us get someone a little better as the main prospect in the deal. But the Johnston, Robertson stuff is fantasy. Dallas won't do that.
2027 1st round pick is a must in any deal. Looking at Stars prospect pool, not much to offer there. Wheeler has them as 31st in league.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/593...rankings-2025/

Mavrik Bourque or Liam Bischel are unlikely getting moved as already young Stars roster players on cheap deals.

Emil Hemming? Right shot power forward, RW. Still a project. Our prospect pool is a little light in this category.

Source: https://blackoutdallas.com/emil-hemm...e-barrie-colts

1st+Hemming?
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I see we are at the point in the thread where the pessimistic posters will keep driving the expectation down post by post. Waiting for the Andersson for a signed 4x8 of Sergei Zubov.
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If we get more than a 7th I'll be shocked.
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Old 07-13-2025, 04:18 PM   #4487
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If we get more than a 7th I'll be shocked.
Well to be fair no trade is complete without an obligatory 7th 2 years down the road.
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Old 07-13-2025, 04:25 PM   #4488
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If we get more than a 7th I'll be shocked.
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I see we are at the point in the thread where the pessimistic posters will keep driving the expectation down post by post. Waiting for the Andersson for a signed 4x8 of Sergei Zubov.
I have come to think of it as the Negativity Filibuster.
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Oh man I would love Bichsel.
Bahl weegar
Bichsel parekh

Is an amazing top 4
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If that's all Dallas is willing to offer for a defenceman voted 31st by fans they can pound sand. 2027 7th or no deal.
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I firmly believe that if we throw in a full sleeve of draft picks along with Parekh, we can get some team to take Andersson off our hands.
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I'll take Mavrik Bourque please and thank you. Robertson or Johnson aren't happening but Bourque is buried on that team. I know he signed a 1-year deal recently but if I'm Conroy that's what I hold out for.
I agree Johnston won't happen but there's been a lot of smoke around the Stars moving robertson. So I'd say there's a possibility Robertson can happen.
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I firmly believe that if we throw in a full sleeve of draft picks along with Parekh, we can get some team to take Andersson off our hands.
Trying to outbid the Tanner Jeannot deal? Sweet.
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Bischel+Bourque+2nd for Andersson+Pospisil
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Trying to outbid the Tanner Jeannot deal? Sweet.
Well, the idea is that we're giving up all those assets so we do not have to take back Jeannot as part of the deal. Much better to flush out Andersson, Parekh, and a year's worth of picks for nothing at all. And I don't think anyone can accuse me of aiming for an unrealistically large return!
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I firmly believe that if we throw in a full sleeve of draft picks along with Parekh, we can get some team to take Andersson off our hands.
Include Wolf and they might .... might .... consider it.
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I think there’s a bigger deal to be made involving Coleman. Or at a minimum a future deal to be talked about for the trade deadline
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Yeah I think it's Robertson for a couple of reasons. It gives them a get out of cap hell jail free card. Because IIRC, Seguin come off the books so they can sign Rasmus and still have some room left. And with Robertson's cap this year it gives them room to do a bit more adding if needed or just some flexibility for call ups and depth.

Yeah, Robertson 1 for 1 for a fully retained Andersson makes a ton of sense.
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Yeah I think it's Robertson for a couple of reasons. It gives them a get out of cap hell jail free card. Because IIRC, Seguin come off the books so they can sign Rasmus and still have some room left. And with Robertson's cap this year it gives them room to do a bit more adding if needed or just some flexibility for call ups and depth.

Yeah, Robertson 1 for 1 for a fully retained Andersson makes a ton of sense.
Seguin doesn't come off the books. 2 years left at $9.85M.
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