[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Here comes the hindsight heroes.

Are they wrong though? not sure how management didn't see it coming.

A good manager/GM has a pulse on the social dynamic of their team.

Trading Bennett was the first domino for the core group that was all close and did things together.

Bennett traded
Monahan traded
Gaudreau plays out the string and doesn't resign
Gaudreau leaves.
Tkachuk sees the writing on the wall and requests trade.

out
Bennett/Monahan/Gaudreau/Tkachuk

in
Weegar/Huberdeau - then Hanifin/Lindhom traded

Lindholm - Win trade
Hanifin - Meh we'll see but likely late 1st round pick

IF you make a decision to trade hanifin and lindholm that was the time to trade Anderson as well. not take him to last year of contract.


Flames are 2-3 years behind where they should be due to bad management decisions around assets and contract length.

[Groot]

N/m

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Are they wrong though? not sure how management didn't see it coming.

I should hope not considering hindsight usually gives you the answer. That’s the whole point of hindsight and why it has limited value.

[Hackey]

Everyone knew Johnny leaving to play in the state's was a strong possibility. Everyone knew Tkachuk had the option of taking the qualifying offer and heading to UFA. Once those two officially left it didn't take a genius to realize keeping your other guys was going to be near impossible once your two stars were gone. And one by one they all wanted out. But yes let's call it hindsight to think Rasmus Andersson would also want out. And after just dealing Hanifin for a very underwhelming return who could have predicted that Andersson would be getting similar offers. Flames fans really need to cope hard to accept the incompetence of ownership.

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by dino7c

By all accounts they are a substantial deal with LA, given Holland's work I dont doubt it

The account I heard was that there were a fairly large number of low-grade assets offered, quantity rather than quality. Something like the Phaneuf for Stajan and a bunch of pocket change trade. Except that Phaneuf was on a bad contract and didn't seem to be likely to live up to the AAV. But in spite of that contract, I thought that it was an exceptionally bad trade.

[The Cobra]

While rebuilding when Tkachuk was traded was obviously the way to go looking in hindsight, few here were banging the drum when that trade occurred.

Go look at the trade thread, the consensus was that Florida got robbed, Tkachuk would never see 100 points again, and the Flames got the best player in the trade, plus Weegar and a first round pick.

As long as Huberdeau was signed to a long term contract of course.

I'm just glad that statue of Treliving was not erected outside the Saddledome as many suggested.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While rebuilding when Tkachuk was traded was obviously the way to go looking in hindsight, few here were banging the drum when that trade occurred.

Go look at the trade thread, the consensus was that Florida got robbed, Tkachuk would never see 100 points again, and the Flames got the best player in the trade, plus Weegar and a first round pick.

As long as Huberdeau was signed to a long term contract of course.

I'm just glad that statue of Treliving was erected outside the Saddeldome as many suggested.

Don't be absurd. This hindsight validation is getting out of control.

Nobody could have predicted Huberdeau's crash. In the summer of 2022, the team still looked solid on paper. They had a reasonably young roster with: Good starting goalie (Markstrom), Good C depth (Lindholm, Kadri, Backlund), Good D depth (Hanifin-Andersson, Weegar-Tanev, Zadorov-Stone), and solid supporting wingers. But it was going to need Huberdeau to be at least a 90 point player. Repeating his 115 point season would be amazing but no one thought he would drop his production by more than half.

Even with Markstrom falling apart that season, had Huberdeau put up 30 more points for a total of 85 instead of 55 (which still would have been disappointing to many of you) that would have definitely gotten the team the 3 points needed in the standings to secure the last wildcard spot and go to the playoffs.

It was only because of the monumental collapse of the 2022-23 season that an "unscheduled" or even "emergency" rebuild became needed.

[Stampede2TheCup]

I don’t understand the crapping on Conroy in here.

Are we ignoring the possibility of ownership’s role in not trading players out sooner? I think at the very least have a very good idea what ownership would think about trading Ras this past trade deadline while the team was in a race for the playoffs.

How do we know deals for Ras haven’t been considered the past 2 years and the value wasn’t there? Two season ago Ras was hit by a car in early Feb and he wasn’t himself for the rest of the season so I doubt his trade value would have been good that off-season.

I personally really want to see Ras moved this summer. I feel it’s still pretty likely to happen. I’m not so worried that we are this far into the off-season because the sign-and-trade which is harder to pull off is still on the table and so is selling him off as a full year rental. There is still loads of cap space out there in the league and salary retention would really make him fit in a lot of places.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Don't be absurd. This hindsight validation is getting out of control.

Nobody could have predicted Huberdeau's crash. In the summer of 2022, the team still looked solid on paper. They had a reasonably young roster with: Good starting goalie (Markstrom), Good C depth (Lindholm, Kadri, Backlund), Good D depth (Hanifin-Andersson, Weegar-Tanev, Zadorov-Stone), and solid supporting wingers. But it was going to need Huberdeau to be at least a 90 point player. Repeating his 115 point season would be amazing but no one thought he would drop his production by more than half.

Even with Markstrom falling apart that season, had Huberdeau put up 30 more points for a total of 85 instead of 55 (which still would have been disappointing to many of you) that would have definitely gotten the team the 3 points needed in the standings to secure the last wildcard spot and go to the playoffs.

It was only because of the monumental collapse of the 2022-23 season that an "unscheduled" or even "emergency" rebuild became needed.

I think you missed my point if you think I was being absurd.

It's only in hindsight that we should have rebuilt. Based on Huberdeau crashing etc.

If we could do it over, we would have traded Huberdeau after obtaining him. Not traded Monny and kept our first round pick. etc. etc.

[ComixZone]

So, for whatever it’s worth this guy had Dumba being traded last night. No clue around anything else with him:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1943423858650026025

https://twitter.com/user/status/1943210489280106828

[traptor]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

So, for whatever it’s worth this guy had Dumba being traded last night. No clue around anything else with him:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1943423858650026025

https://twitter.com/user/status/1943210489280106828

Woah is it actually happening now?!

[Toonage]

Great fit for him if true. Return will be very interesting. Fingers crossed

[Roko]

I mean Dallas has been the forgone conclusion/best fit for rasmus and clearing cap makes you speculate. I’d love for this saga to be over if we could do it. A three team deal with Anaheim for McTavish sounds intriguing or even just Robertson would add some scoring to our team.

[FBI]

Is bamboozle reliable? First we've heard of that rumour..

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by FBI

Is bamboozle reliable? First we've heard of that rumour..

No idea. He had Dumba late last night though, maybe a random guess he put out…no clue.

But…maybe tomorrow will be fun?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FBI

Is bamboozle reliable? First we've heard of that rumour..

With a name like bamboozle I can only assume he's credible.

[ICRed]

I remember the Tkachuk trade was broken by some rando account in Florida too. It happens. I hope he’s right, we need a little action around here

[dammage79]

Hey, he broke it at 1237 a.m July 10. That's well before any anybody sniffed the roster sheets out.

If Ras is going to Dallas. I'm guessing it's for Robertson.

[Niemo]

Please give me Dal 1st 2027 + Bishel + Bourque + 1yr rental dumpfor Ras + Coleman (50% retained) + Solovyov

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think you missed my point if you think I was being absurd.

It's only in hindsight that we should have rebuilt. Based on Huberdeau crashing etc.

If we could do it over, we would have traded Huberdeau after obtaining him. Not traded Monny and kept our first round pick. etc. etc.

Even with hindsight, that team was built to compete and just needed a couple of pieces to get back to the playoffs. I think it is more likely that with some kind of mystical future seeing, Treliving would have changed dance partners and get the rumoured package out of the Blues instead of a Huberdeau package.

But really, if you have the power of seeing into the future then there would be a laundry list of moves you would want to un-#### before that trade:
- Tkachuk Bridge deal - Instead, sign him to a max term contract
- Trading Bennett - Instead, tell your coach to make him the #2C and deal with it
- Letting Gaudreau walk to UFA - Instead, set a preseason deadline to sign an extension before you trade him away for a monster return
- Trading Monahan - Instead, get a Doctor that shuts him down and makes him heal before putting him back in the roster
- Tkachuk trade - No longer needed because he is still under contract

Then, while you are breaking the laws of physics, you may as well go to the draft and snag all of those guys like Thomas or Robertson over Valimaki or grab Hoglander instead of Pelletier.. and claim Forsling when he is on waivers.

Then use your super power to win all the cups.