[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[devo22]

Originally Posted by traptor

Is hague + 1st that bad? Its the equivalent of the Markstrom trade which people seem to love. Better then the Hanifin deal and worse then the linsholm deal.

Plus i bet CC is set on getting a roster player back. Its been his MO in pretty much every deal.

Hague just seems redundant when you already have Bahl. Trading for and re-signing him to a larger deal would have been very meh. George is a decent prospect, but a) goalies are voodoo and b) we simply don't have the need right now.

all in all, yeah, I think those deals would have been pretty underwhelming. Not super terrible, but nothing to write home about either.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know how well we can trust the rumors but Hage + 1st and Carter George + 1st are pretty meh.
I agree with others, they need to shift the approach to offering him, as a 1 year guy, to entire league except for the 6 teams on his NT list.

If we were to use Lindholm as the upper mark, and targeted return...

To Dallas: Rasmus Andersson (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2027 1st Round Pick, Tristan Bertucci ('23 2nd round pick, LHD), Matt Dumba (cap-dump, Kuzy equivelant)

I think that type of deal is a fair return, and works within Dallas' cap constraints as they're dumping more cap than taking on.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Is hague + 1st that bad? Its the equivalent of the Markstrom trade which people seem to love. Better then the Hanifin deal and worse then the linsholm deal.





Plus i bet CC is set on getting a roster player back. Its been his MO in pretty much every deal.

Yes it is. Even worse if Andersson extended. On top of that Hauge was traded for 4th liners afterwards.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Gently reminder of how you replied to P-nuts when he argued that Andersson was bad because of his plus minus. It's a lousy argument, and you're well aware of that fact.

I never said he was bad...he didn't have a great season though. Its not like it would be impossible to replace. Byram (who is the subject of this thread) is at the very least capable of being an equal to what Rasmus gave the Flames last year with tons of room to grow.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

That's pretty easy with 20/20 hindsight.


There was no burning market for Ras last year at TDL....otherwise he may well have been moved. Conroy hasn't proven himself to be stupid yet. If there had been a decent (enough) offer, it seems rather likely that he would have taken it.

As I said earlier this was not a 20/20 hindsight as much as you would like to think that. Read the trade deadline thread.

The rumour was Flames had a trade with the Leafs Andersson for the the Carlo package. In turn they were going to flip a pick to Carolina for Orlov. Carolina backed out so then Conroy didn't want to move Andersson, thinking it sent to wrong message as he wanted to give them a chance at playoffs.

Going back to my point Conroy decided to show loyalty to a group of veterans who got to the second round once in the last 10 years. The young guys now deserve the opportunity.

Conroy continually has stated he wants to give young guys a chance to play could have played Brusntewicz and Parekh a few more games if he made the move.

Again Conroy is acing the drafts and that is the most important part of his job right now. But this decision is a headscrstcher for me and fairly disappointing.

[dino7c]

We can't argue rumors as facts though, who knows what was actually available at the deadline and we also don't know what the eventual return will be

[Niemo]

Are we serious that we were going to flip a pick for a pending UFA Orlov? Wow........ talk about sending a message to the fan base.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’ve never heard about Orlov. That would have been awful

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Are we serious that we were going to flip a pick for a pending UFA Orlov? Wow........ talk about sending a message to the fan base.

I think is this rumor they are also gaining a first and a prospect

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I’ve never heard about Orlov. That would have been awful

Yeah I'd never heard that one either, nor had I heard the Toronto offer.

[MikePatton]

What we need to do is collectively channel our most tradeful intentions to immanentize a deal. Together we can make it happen!

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

If we were to use Lindholm as the upper mark, and targeted return...

To Dallas: Rasmus Andersson (50% retained)
To Calgary: 2027 1st Round Pick, Tristan Bertucci ('23 2nd round pick, LHD), Matt Dumba (cap-dump, Kuzy equivelant)

I think that type of deal is a fair return, and works within Dallas' cap constraints as they're dumping more cap than taking on.

I'd be fine with this, and have the 2027 top 10 protected so it can transfer over to a 2029 1st unprotected. A lot can happen in 4 years if it got deferred.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah I'd never heard that one either, nor had I heard the Toronto offer.

From everything Royle said they didn’t shop Andersson.

High prices on players and we did nothing. That’s the frustrating part.

[Royle9]

Never heard anything about Orlov, not sure where that's coming from.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Never heard anything about Orlov, not sure where that's coming from.

make up a rumor to be mad about lol

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Flames are not offer-sheeting Byram where it involves risking their own 1st round pick.

However, I am skeptical that this gets done unless Conroy shifts his stance which hasn't been the case for the last 3-4 months. Maybe it has now? Flames and Sabres have been talking Byram for a long, long time.

Nothing has changed since my post on Page 6. We're now on Page 45. Unless Conroy decides to pay BUF's ask, this isn't getting done. Both teams are content to let this ride out for now.

Flames don't feel any urgency in trading away Rasmus or acquiring Byram. This applies across their whole roster. They're more than happy to ride out the summer and head into the season. So I think for rumors and activity, this summer may be brutal for the fanbase anticipating moves.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I could see Pachal getting those minutes and I think he is an upgrade on Andersson defensively.

I'd love for that to be the case, I really don't see it though. Sheltering Parekh with the right vets (like Pachal) taking the defensive matchups will be key. I think a Phaneuf-like rookie season would be best case scenario.

21:44 average TOI (2nd pairing with Hamrlik), 16 PPG + 17 PPA with only 4 ESG + 11 ESA, finished +5 on a division winning team.

It'll be really interesting to watch regardless. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised by his defensive game.

[dino7c]

ZP isn't replacing Andersson overall

He is 100% an upgrade on the PP and in 3 on 3 OT though. (more than a few points missed there) Someone else needs to take the defensive minutes.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

As I said earlier this was not a 20/20 hindsight as much as you would like to think that. Read the trade deadline thread.

The rumour was Flames had a trade with the Leafs Andersson for the the Carlo package. In turn they were going to flip a pick to Carolina for Orlov. Carolina backed out so then Conroy didn't want to move Andersson, thinking it sent to wrong message as he wanted to give them a chance at playoffs.

Going back to my point Conroy decided to show loyalty to a group of veterans who got to the second round once in the last 10 years. The young guys now deserve the opportunity.

Conroy continually has stated he wants to give young guys a chance to play could have played Brusntewicz and Parekh a few more games if he made the move.

Again Conroy is acing the drafts and that is the most important part of his job right now. But this decision is a headscrstcher for me and fairly disappointing.

I don’t recall that leafs rumor from any credible sources
Just speculation

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by traptor

Is hague + 1st that bad? Its the equivalent of the Markstrom trade which people seem to love. Better then the Hanifin deal and worse then the linsholm deal.





Plus i bet CC is set on getting a roster player back. Its been his MO in pretty much every deal.

To clarify if that’s what they end up getting it’s fine
But it doesn’t make me feel like, at this point, they’ve missed out on some amazing deal