[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[AC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Andersson wasn't exactly a defensive juggernaut last year.

But he was still our top Dman against the other team's best players every night. Parekh could have a great rookie year and the team should be worse off defensively because every Dman is matching up against tougher opponents than they should be.

Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing and may actually get the Flames to a bottom 5-10 finish, which I think most would be on board with this draft.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Andersson wasn't exactly a defensive juggernaut last year.

If you think Andersson wasn't a defensive juggernaut, wait until you watch a 19 year old that has always relied on being more talented than the opposition. Defense is a learned skill, and he simply hasn't had a chance to learn it yet. He is also a teenager competing against men - he will be physically outmatched.

I am as high on Parekh as anyone here, but thinking he will fill Andersson's skates this year, is just nuts. On the PP, sure. Five on five? Not by a mile.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If we start dealing guys away I can’t see the team being as enthusiastic playing the way we did. Difficult style to play and keep up.

If the plan is to be competitive when SP opens they need to make these decisions quicker.

That isn't the plan specifically

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If you think Andersson wasn't a defensive juggernaut, wait until you watch a 19 year old that has always relied on being more talented than the opposition. Defense is a learned skill, and he simply hasn't had a chance to learn it yet. He is also a teenager competing against men - he will be physically outmatched.

I am as high on Parekh as anyone here, but thinking he will fill Andersson's skates this year, is just nuts. On the PP, sure. Five on five? Not by a mile.

Parekh won't be playing Andersson's role though...if he is moved someone else will be brought in. (like Bowen Byram)

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

That isn't the plan specifically

It’s been stated they want a good team who is competitive to open the new building.

We got 2 years. Need to start pushing some guys out and adding assets and hopefully picking high enough to get a couple young stars.

It would have been better if they ripped the bandaid off earlier.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Parekh won't be playing Andersson's role though...if he is moved someone else will be brought in. (like Bowen Byram)

We'll see.

Hard to say the team will be as good or better, based on a player that doesn't exist yet.

Also, Byram today, isn't as good as Andersson, today, either.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s been stated they want a good team who is competitive to open the new building.

We got 2 years. Need to start pushing some guys out and adding assets and hopefully picking high enough to get a couple young stars.

It would have been better if they ripped the bandaid off earlier.

Pretty sure its been stated they want a good team period, younger yes but they are trying to improve the team now and in the future. No matter how many times a day you post otherwise or argue against the logic.

[Enoch Root]

The problem with losing a top pairing defenseman isn't just that the guy you probably replace him with, isn't as good, it is also the fact that all the other defensemen have to move up the lineup, and take responsibilities, that they may not be equipped to handle

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's always the thing - action or inaction has consequences. Chasing that short term goal of sneaking into the playoffs has dropped the value of Andersson, and it dropped the value of their own 2025 1st round pick (potentially to the degree of 22 draft spots)

If we look at the top-end competing teams, the majority of them have already spent their prime rental-asset, most of which were moved at the 2025 trade deadline.

Panthers -> Blackhawks owns their pick
Senators -> Forfeitting their pick
Golden Knights -> Flames own their pick
Hurricanes -> Rangers owns their pick (Top-10 protected)
Avalanche -> Islanders own their pick
Stars -> Hurricanes own their pick (Top-10 protected)
Oilers -> Sharks own their pick (Top-12 protected)
Lightning -> Kraken own their their pick (Top-10 protected)
Maple Leafs -> Bruins own their pick

The Flames/Conroy really did make a significant investment in chasing that playoff experience in 2024/2025, and they didn't get it. I disagree with chasing in it in the first place, because I don't think that type of experience is all that important (if piling up round 1 losses was actually important to developing a winning culture, the Flames would have a winning culture). We'll see if it works out for the Flames in that culture department.

I don’t view keeping Andersson as “chasing it”. The Flames were simply competitive from the jump, much to everyone’s surprise. They basically did everything to tank but trade Andersson.

I would prefer the Flames to move him asap, but not at any cost. He can still be a deadline deal, and a valuable one at that.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We'll see.

Hard to say the team will be as good or better, based on a player that doesn't exist yet.

Also, Byram today, isn't as good as Andersson, today, either.

+11 on Buffalo with 38 points (career +18 at 24)
-38 on Calgary with 31 points

I will take my chances

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

+11 on Buffalo with 38 points (career +18 at 24)
-38 on Calgary with 31 points

I will take my chances

Gently reminder of how you replied to P-nuts when he argued that Andersson was bad because of his plus minus. It's a lousy argument, and you're well aware of that fact.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I don’t view keeping Andersson as “chasing it”. The Flames were simply competitive from the jump, much to everyone’s surprise. They basically did everything to tank but trade Andersson.

I would prefer the Flames to move him asap, but not at any cost. He can still be a deadline deal, and a valuable one at that.

Flames started 4-0 and played at a .500 clip until 4 nations. They rallied after.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Gently reminder of how you replied to P-nuts when he argued that Andersson was bad because of his plus minus. It's a lousy argument, and you're well aware of that fact.

No i said the-38 put a bow tie on what was a bad season. I’ve used other stats for that.

I don’t think the his declining play is lost on him or the team. That’s why it seems like he wants to play out the season.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by AC

But he was still our top Dman against the other team's best players every night. Parekh could have a great rookie year and the team should be worse off defensively because every Dman is matching up against tougher opponents than they should be.

Again, that's not necessarily a bad thing and may actually get the Flames to a bottom 5-10 finish, which I think most would be on board with this draft.

I could see Pachal getting those minutes and I think he is an upgrade on Andersson defensively.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It’s been stated they want a good team who is competitive to open the new building.

We got 2 years. Need to start pushing some guys out and adding assets and hopefully picking high enough to get a couple young stars.

It would have been better if they ripped the bandaid off earlier.

Which bandaids should have have ripped off sooner? When Conroy became GM he had basically 11 veterans who maybe could have been traded. He had 2 other vets that had full NMC’s and cannot be moved.

He traded 7 of them in the next 12 months.

He re-signed one of them.

He has kept 3 of them, but looks like he might trade one of them soon. Out of the 3 vets left that he can trade (Rasmus, Weegar, Coleman).

Should he have traded Coleman and Weegar as well? What is the bandaid that should have been ripped off and how should it have been? Detailed explanations of where they erred I think would be helpful.

[bluejays]

With Boston looking to get back in there I’m surprised they’re not in on Andersson. They’d have the picks to make it happen. And those may be valuable considering the team is a pretender.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I don't know how well we can trust the rumors but Hage + 1st and Carter George + 1st are pretty meh.
I agree with others, they need to shift the approach to offering him, as a 1 year guy, to entire league except for the 6 teams on his NT list.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by bluejays

With Boston looking to get back in there I’m surprised they’re not in on Andersson. They’d have the picks to make it happen. And those may be valuable considering the team is a pretender.

Can you blame them after Lindholm and Zadarov? lol

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by bluejays

With Boston looking to get back in there I’m surprised they’re not in on Andersson. They’d have the picks to make it happen. And those may be valuable considering the team is a pretender.

The Leafs pick will be valuable too, without Marner they are a bubble team.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't know how well we can trust the rumors but Hage + 1st and Carter George + 1st are pretty meh.
I agree with others, they need to shift the approach to offering him, as a 1 year guy, to entire league except for the 6 teams on his NT list.

Is hague + 1st that bad? Its the equivalent of the Markstrom trade which people seem to love. Better then the Hanifin deal and worse then the linsholm deal.





Plus i bet CC is set on getting a roster player back. Its been his MO in pretty much every deal.