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Old 07-03-2025, 02:52 PM   #3841
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I'm sure he wants to win. But I don't think he has the patience for it.

I would assume he would rather steady playoff revenue from 2 or 3 home playoff games a year, than to take a risk of missing for 5 or more years to properly rebuild the team to contend. I don't think he wants to see multiple years of no playoffs, even if it helps make us better.
Edwards is worth 3.5 billion. He isn’t even 100% owner of the Flames.

You think the less than 2 million revenue for 2 playoff games is driving him to try and have this franchise in the middle ? If he literally cared about that little extra $$ it would exponentially be in his interest to spend to the floor every year because the Flames attendance doesn’t change enough to offset the saved costs in salary.

The issue is he WANTS to make the playoffs every year and win , and has enough yes men (historically) around him to make him believe they can

It has even been said /insinuated Conroy had to be coached how to interview to get the job . Edwards does not want to hear “we need to start fresh and it will take 5-7 years “

That being said I actually believe Edwards is more on board with a proper(ish) rebuild .

The problem Conroy faces as GM is will he have a job / job security long enough to see it through properly ? Will Edwards remain patient

It does CC no good to set up the next GM for success and be the short term pain GM

That’s what can lead to trying to “rush” the rebuild . If Edwards and Conroy fully trusted each other they could do a proper 5 year rebuild

I’m not sure they do on either side completely yet
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:00 PM   #3842
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People are not defending Edwards just pointing out errors in your post.
What error did I say about Edwards?

He was voted one of the worst owners in the league.
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:03 PM   #3843
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I don't think Conroy is looking to add using picks or prospects.

Lots of names on that list don't NEED to make the team either or stay with the team.
No they don't need to make the team. But we see it every camp where waiver eligibility and NHL games played holds a rookie off the roster. I would love to see them move Miromanov and Bean. That would leave Solovyov, Kuznetsov, and someone like Brzustewicz in the 6,7,8 spots. Not sure if there is a market though.
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:03 PM   #3844
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I feel like this time around they are a lot more committed to actually rebuilding, albeit cautiously. They are moving out vets, a little slower than most would like, but at a moderate pace so that they can shelter the kids coming in and wait for them to be a bit more ready and the conveyer belt to start rolling with NHL ready players. The last semi rebuild where we picked top 10 3/4 years worked out well, Tkachuk Bennett and Monahan came in and I am sure that is still in Edwards' mind and was a lesson learned. You've gotta hit the floor and Frost, Sharangovich, Bahl and Farabee are the kind of replacement level placeholder players you get to do that who will still have utility and can slide into depth roles in 3 or 4 years like Staj and Hudler did for that young core. Or they are young enough that you can trade for a couple more picks if someone takes their spots.

I wonder if last year the flames potentially not having their own pick made them slow up a little as well. And now this year they are making decent moves getting rid of Kuzmenko and now Rasmus - second deal is complicated and will take time but seems like it will happen. Only issue I can see right now is not moving Coleman which really should be a priority given where the team is at, his age and his value, I'd rather see Stromgren, Honzek and Suniev battle for that LW spot and be mentored by Backlund for the year with a good defensive center beside them to cover mistakes. Flames will be better off next season never mind the picks or futures coleman could bring in. Kadri you'd have to beg to agree to leave and you only do that and risk pissing him off if the offer is fantastic so he should go next summer with Backlund who I'm guessing might retire. Should have brought the colorado deal to him but that ship has sailed.

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Old 07-03-2025, 03:10 PM   #3845
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Or Edward was aware this wont team won compete so he could profit the savings just like he took the tax payers to town on his free building.

Stop trying to get around the worst ownership in hockey. I know you love your just barely made it finishes but we competed right!!!
So your theory is that Murray Edwards wanted to finish just outside the playoffs, miss out on playoff revenue but also maximize his profit making ability by not spending anywhere near the cap? That seems strangely complicated and very fraught to risk that he does not achieve that near miss for the playoffs and missing out on that revenue.
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:12 PM   #3846
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So your theory is that Murray Edwards wanted to finish just outside the playoffs, miss out on playoff revenue but also maximize his profit making ability by not spending anywhere near the cap? That seems strangely complicated and very fraught to risk that he does not achieve that near miss for the playoffs and missing out on that revenue.
Do you know what a fluke result is?
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:21 PM   #3847
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What error did I say about Edwards?

He was voted one of the worst owners in the league.
There are different votes. He's not in the running in this poll of agents.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/615...oll-anonymous/

They were low, but not last here in this fan poll:

https://www.investigativepost.org/20...er-in-the-nhl/

This one from 2024 they are midpack (above Florida - this was pre cup):

https://stadiumtalk.com/s/nhl-owners...c32a0c395c4407
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:29 PM   #3848
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Do you know what a fluke result is?
I do, Murray signed off on Conroy’s attempt to get a high pick this last year, that is why Conroy traded almost every veteran player he could trade for futures. It is why he has signed off on Conroy’s continued efforts to not sign veterans and likely trade existing veterans on the roster for more futures. But you seem to be taking two different positions, one is that Murray is trying to be a bubble team and the other is that getting to a bubble team was a fluke.
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Old 07-03-2025, 03:30 PM   #3849
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Someone trying to defend Edwards here is hilarious. Most people know how crappy of an owner he is with his oil companies and Flames.
CNQ return has clobbered the TSX over the past 10 years.

Wait do you even know what CNQ is? Or the TSX?
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Old 07-03-2025, 04:28 PM   #3850
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Someone trying to defend Edwards here is hilarious. Most people know how crappy of an owner he is with his oil companies and Flames.
Or just accept that not everyone agrees with you and stop labeling differing opinions as stupid or hilarious.

It's week as hell and even more tiring.
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Old 07-03-2025, 04:41 PM   #3851
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Or just accept that not everyone agrees with you and stop labeling differing opinions as stupid or hilarious.

It's week as hell and even more tiring.
Well we have articles and stuff to prove that Edwards is a junk owner. Can you prove otherwise
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Old 07-03-2025, 04:47 PM   #3852
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Well we have articles and stuff to prove that Edwards is a junk owner. Can you prove otherwise
Case closed...........articles and stuff.
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Old 07-03-2025, 04:51 PM   #3853
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Size matters especiallyt down the middle. We are already small as is.

Rossi does nothing for this team
Lol you've never watched a shift of Rossi.
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What error did I say about Edwards?

He was voted one of the worst owners in the league.
Good thing we don't have a worst CP poster poll...
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Old 07-03-2025, 05:10 PM   #3855
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Sec we need your update, we’ve gone full Edward’s in here now.
When we can’t bitch about making the team better we start slandering the owner for something to do.

Back on topic people!
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Old 07-03-2025, 05:11 PM   #3856
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Sec we need your update, we’ve gone full Edward’s in here now.
When we can’t bitch about making the team better we start slandering the owner for something to do.

Back on topic people!
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Old 07-03-2025, 05:12 PM   #3857
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Personally I want them to move Andersson before making a different trade.

Get that business done with first
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Old 07-03-2025, 05:13 PM   #3858
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I really get nervous at any Rossi acquisition. I look at him this way:


Pros
High IQ
High compete
Physical
Good playmaker
Very good shooter


Cons:
Undersized
Average speed


I don't think you can have two major flaws as a #1 center. Even if he was a burner, but undersized, I am not sure I would have him as a #1 Center just because of the defensive responsibilities, but he would be much closer to that. So I sort of think of him this way:


He is not a #1 center on any team.
He is not a #2 center on a contender.


I would want to acquire Rossi if the Flames were turning a corner. He would be a great 1st/2nd line winger to target who adds skill and compete to any team, as well as insurance in case a center goes down, plus would be better than most wingers at taking draws.



What I don't see him as is a piece that you add when you are at the start of a rebuild. If you see him as a #1 center, than we just have to agree to disagree on move on.



I would feel the same way about a 6'4" center who is slow - if you aren't fast enough, you can't be a #1 center. I think maybe you can be on a weaker team, or if given certain linemates, but I think a lack of size and speed down the middle makes your team easier to play against.
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Weak as hell and even more tiring.
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Cowan was the first player in history to lead in scoring in the Memorial Cup tournament in back to back years and this year, won MVP. Why does everyone seem to think he sucks?
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