[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[MikePatton]

Ohhh drama! Will the inscrutable Andersson stick to his word, refusing to sign an extension with anyone else? Will enterprising nice-guy Conroy hold to his conviction that more can be had, and be doggish in manifesting it, or will he falter and cow to Andersson and the VGK? Will Conroy hit back?

[InternationalVillager]

& To add some more background....

there was a thread a couple of months ago where I was harshly critical of Andersson's theatrics at the season end press conference when posters here were cheering each other with what he said and we can't embrace tanking etc and Andersson saying those are not real fans.

I said it back then too-- management was NOT very happy with him at all.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Maybe it's just an age things for me but... where is the outrage in this thread?

Man, compared to literally any other Canadian fanbase, this thread is unbelievably tame.

I don't see all caps posts. I don't see posters calling for people to be fired.

I see people who are communicating that they are disappointed in what seems to be a common result for this organization.

I just don't understand posts like this. Like any discontent towards the actions of this organization is met with ridicule. It's just weird.

It’s incredibly weird and out of touch. Go take a look at the fanbases for the Oilers, Leafs, or Habs if you want to see people who are truly unhinged. Expressing frustration with a management team that repeatedly makes the same mistakes is completely reasonable and not “outrage” at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

To add to this as I posted on draft day that an Andersson trade was not happening as teams weren't meeting ask. It's now become very clear as to why. It's a combination. He won't go to the teams that would meet it. I reached out to the same person and was told the situation is accurately "bad". The player has hijacked the entire situation....which makes me think the leaks are coming from his agent.

A carbon copy of the Hanifin hijack but he didn’t get his wish.

[Locke]

Gentlemen! This is Conroy playing 4D chess!!

Lets not forget, Vegas has few assets, but they have some picks. Now the downside of that is that, Vegas being relatively successful, those picks tend to suck.

However! We should also not forget that once upon a time Mr. Andersson was referred to as Fatmus Sandwichsson!

And we're expected to ship him off to the land of the inexpensive All You Can Eat Buffet?? For 7+ years?

Secret Agent Andersson may report for duty! Thats like tossing a grenade at the Cap structure of a direct rival while Raz shows up on game day chowing down on a deep-fried turkey leg...where did he get it? Nobody knows.

But those picks? Over time? They're going to go up in value.

It could work.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Meh, I still don't see it changing that much. Having only one preferred destination for an extension means the Flames take it that there are no destinations for extension. Get the no trade list and go to work from their. Not ideal, but I think most players heading into the UFA year probably are of the mindset that they will explore free agency. Extend and Trade or still very rare.

Ras is going to need to get used to playing in Minnesota or LA or wherever he isn't keen on, or up his list of teams he is willing to extend for.

[Major Major]

The interesting thing about this to me is that Conroy already made an example of a team and player who tried to force his hand like this.

Hanifin wasn't trying to strong arm his way to Vegas, he was trying to strong arm his way to Tampa. Vegas was the #### you destination.

Anyhow, it is unfortunate that there was a clear way to handle this and that we are left with a degraded asset. But Conny has been aces at the draft and I think his talent evaluation is top tier, so I can live with it. Hopefully he learns from this situation... again.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is he even going to get the contract he wants with Ekblad taking a discount to stay in Florida. Same age and the better player.

Yes. No one is going to point at Ekblad and say "you can't ask for more than that". Ekblad gave a hometown discount in the same way that Tavares did. Those do not set the benchmark.

If anything, this makes it easier for Andersson to ask for more. There are half a dozen teams that need a #1RD and the choices are Andersson and... 35yo Karlsson at a $10M cap hit (depending on the Pens willingness to retain for 2 years).

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

God awful
Maybe the worst in the league

Worse than Edmonton's?

[really?]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is he even going to get the contract he wants with Ekblad taking a discount to stay in Florida. Same age and the better player.

That deal doesn’t help his cause, but it is an outlier so it doesn’t sink him either. There is a lot of risk in the tact his team is taking, as signing now and going to a team with a discounted year attached might bring him some consideration in an extension. I’m sure he’d like to go to Vegas, but doubt he’ll accept a huge discount to go there as a free agent. If he doesn’t bend his resolve a bit he may find himself taking a lesser or even, show me deal next summer.

Don’t blame him for exercising his rights, but not every hand you play in poker ends up a winner….

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Major Major

The interesting thing about this to me is that Conroy already made an example of a team and player who tried to force his hand like this.

Hanifin wasn't trying to strong arm his way to Vegas, he was trying to strong arm his way to Tampa. Vegas was the #### you destination.

Anyhow, it is unfortunate that there was a clear way to handle this and that we are left with a degraded asset. But Conny has been aces at the draft and I think his talent evaluation is top tier, so I can live with it. Hopefully he learns from this situation... again.

It really wasn’t a #### you destination. He extended and we got a 1st and a few games of a guy who likely doesn’t play in the NHL again.

It was the best return we could get based on Hanifin and Brisson ####ing us.

[MikePatton]

Originally Posted by Locke

However! We should also not forget that once upon a time Mr. Andersson was referred to as Fatmus Sandwichsson!

And we're expected to ship him off to the land of the inexpensive All You Can Eat Buffet?? For 7+ years?

Secret Agent Andersson may report for duty!

Zut alors! A secret agent, wearing the Flames silks in his heart, infiltrating cheap AYCE buffets to bring back their secrets to *us!* He's not just working for the Flames, he's working for cash strapped hungry, Calgarians!

[Tbull8]

I’m sure if we trade him to Columbus, Monny and Meredith would push pretty hard for him to stay there

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Yup, this is remarkably concerning. Feels like it would've been incredibly easy to auction him off a year ago when extension talks wouldn't even be part of the equation. All the talk about doing right by the players and ticking off the box of token extension talks for respect purposes only for those players to turn around and screw CGY at every turn. Big time opportunity cost manifesting here.

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

What is there to learn? Players in Rasmus' position hold the cards. That's the reality of the NHL today. It's not Conroy's fault that a few players have held him over a barrel and have been unwilling to consider other options.

The last thing management should believe is that a player will do anything except what’s best for himself. Today’s players have strong preferences for where they want to play, and they aren’t afraid to use every bit of leverage they have to get there.

It sucks. The Flames are at a big disadvantage compared to other franchises. Not quite to the degree we saw in the pre-cap NHL, but it’s getting close.

* Gotta be careful about drafting players who may not want to play in Canada.

* Gotta overpay in free agency.

* On most players’ no-trade lists to hockey trades are extremely difficult to pull off.

* If you try to trade or sell off a veteran in a re-tool, they can crater their value by making it known they won’t extend.

This puts management in an incredibly tough position. They have to be compliant and accommodating to get guys to play in this market in the first place. But those same players will use every means they have to serve their own interests regardless of the interest of the franchise.

I get why the Flames play nice with players. But I think they need to reconsider that strategy. They have to be more ruthless about asset management and move guys on the Flames term and timeline, not the players’.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is he even going to get the contract he wants with Ekblad taking a discount to stay in Florida. Same age and the better player.

I think that one is pretty much going to be ignored for contract comparables.

[Murph]

The math is simple now. The only way we should trade him to Vegas is if they vastly over pay. Otherwise we should be trading him to the team that wants him, and has the best chance of hurting Vegas’ position in the standings and/or is likely to face them in the playoffs.

Anderson wants to use his leverage? Fine. We should start using ours.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Impatient hockey fans that want trades at any cost isn't proof of knowing how this would have played out or a higher intellect than the current GM that has all the info.

I think we could look at the 1995 draft day thread and see the same thing.

I don't think labelling us as impatient helps your argument. There were pretty good reasons to have dealt with this then, and a lot of posters presented those reasons.

[Royle9]

Craig and Rasmus were on good terms going into the offseason, sounding like that's not the case anymore.

[Caboose]

I think the Flames will still get a solid return for Rasmus, so I'm not too worried about this. I mean, I don't really get worried about sports in general because life's too short (except the Oilers winning the cup, that would concern me if it were even a faint possibility)

For those who are really frustrated and are laser focused on the negatives, I'd point out that if anything, this could drive Flames management closer to the strategy you would like them to follow. The Hanafin and now Andersson trade difficulties could very well influence how things happen down the line. I doubt they'll want to get in this situation a third time, so maybe they'll start trading every vet before their contract expires!

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[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Craig and Rasmus were on good terms going into the offseason, sounding like that's not the case anymore.

Are you saying this based on stuff in this thread, or based on other things you've heard (or both)