| 
	
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:39 AM | #2741 |  
	| First Line Centre | 
 
			
			Kadri isn't getting moved anytime soon, but yes Coleman should already be a consideration given the winger depth we have.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:40 AM | #2742 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			I admire the optimism of fans who are unaffected by the track record of this franchise when it comes to asset management.
		 
				__________________ 
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by fotze  If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan. |  |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to CliffFletcher For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:41 AM | #2743 |  
	| First Line Centre | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by bluejays  Just throwing this out there (if it hasn't been mentioned already), but what about the possibility of signing RA to a short term deal (2 year extension) at a higher AAV then he'd get on the market now that we have the money?  Then come to his last year we shop him with retention?  He wins now by getting a load of money, and can test free agency with a higher cap in a couple years, while we also recoup assets at a later time.  I'd only do this if we aren't getting the value we want, closer to the deadline. |  
I believe Conroy mentioned he is looking for a long term extension now. He is worth more today than he will be on the other side of 30 with signing a long term deal.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following User Says Thank You to Rhett44 For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:43 AM | #2744 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Calgary, AB      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  Yeah, I was surprised at how many posters kept arguing that we'll get as much this year as we would have last year.
 As with Hanifin, and others, it isn't true.
 
 We did well with the Markstrom trade, yes - but that doesn't mean we couldn't have gotten Bahl, the 1st, and more, had we traded him the prior doeadline.
 |  
IMO the Markstrom trade is the example of being proactive.
 
They didn't wait and they moved him with retention with 2 full seasons left and got a great return for a 35 year old goalie.
 
If they took the same approach with Andersson last draft we are probably talking about 2 1st round picks + as a potential return if they retained 50%
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following User Says Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:44 AM | #2745 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina  The difference with Dobson was there was a team that both had the assets to make the trade with and was a team he wanted to sign with. |  
True, but the main point was that maybe we are too leaky. Should keep cards close. That makes me a hypocrite because I like the communication, but maybe we need to sacrifice that. 
 
Lots of leaks from the Flames and that’s generating excitement in the fanbase in advance of something might not happen. Plus it makes things awkward if a trade doesn't happen. It probably means that every team knows where Ras will sign and where he won’t. 
 
We all know Ras is a pro, and team first. If a trade isn’t done he’ll do his best for the team when the season starts. As a fan I don’t want that for him.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:44 AM | #2746 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Niemo  I hope management is taking notes and thinking Coleman and maybe Kadri.  At least Coleman....
 Something about fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me thrice......fool me 4 times.....
 |  
Kadri has a no movement clause
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:46 AM | #2747 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			From what I’ve heard Craig is listening to offers on just about anyone outside of Wolf & Parekh if someone wants to chat.
 I don’t think they’d trade: (doubtful)
 
 Coronato
 Huberdeau
 Backlund
 Kadri
 
 Bubble guys (I think we should entertain offers) for the right price:
 
 Coleman
 Pospisil
 Sharky
 
				 Last edited by Royle9; 06-29-2025 at 10:49 AM.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Royle9 For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:46 AM | #2748 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Springbank      | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by CliffFletcher  I admire the optimism of fans who are unaffected by the track record of this franchise when it comes to asset management. |  
Unless you know the deals offered at any given time, I don't see how anyone can criticize the moves not made.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to GioforPM For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:46 AM | #2749 |  
	| Scoring Winger | 
				  
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by The Original FFIV  Forgive us for our cynicism, but we are well conditioned to angst given our track record with getting fair returns for players. (nothing for Gio/Brodie/johnny). Gifting a first rounder to get rid of Mony. Reduced returns for Hanifin. So yeah, it’s understandable why we are on edge. Yes, those are mostly Treliving issues (or Treliving caused issues). And now faced with a potential reduced return for our best trade chip. Team can’t catch a break. Perpetually pushing sand uphill. Would be nice to catch a good break for once. |  
Maybe take a breather and focus on some of the positives for a week or two and see whether something shakes out over the first week of July. Here, I’ll help:
 
Drafting Johnny in the fourth round. 
Getting monahan at 6 when he was the third best player in that draft 
Getting Tkachuk at 6 when he was the second best player/ possibly best player in that draft 
Trading for Dougie Hamilton 
Trading for Lindholm and Hanifin 
Drafting a potential superstar goalie with their final pick in the 7th round 
The Elias Lindholm return 
The Markstrom return with Bahl 
Mackenzie fricken Weaver and his sweet contract 
Coronato’s emergence 
Zayne Parekh 
Andrew Basha 
The entire 2024 draft class 
Cole Reschny (whom I guarantee you’re going to love!) 
The Flames’deep prospect pool 
Watching a team with a high give a crap meter 
Jarome Iginla hyping up players being part of the organization. 
Lanny McDonald, the classiest man in hockey.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to YyjFlames For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:46 AM | #2750 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by SuperMatt18  IMO the Markstrom trade is the example of being proactive.
 They didn't wait and they moved him with retention with 2 full seasons left and got a great return for a 35 year old goalie.
 
 If they took the same approach with Andersson last draft we are probably talking about 2 1st round picks + as a potential return if they retained 50%
 |  
I didn’t think there’d be much difference between the this year’s deadline and offseason but the deadline was pretty good for sellers.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:47 AM | #2751 |  
	| Powerplay Quarterback | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina  Kadri has a no movement clause |  
Understood.  Which is why he is a maybe.  If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.
 
Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.
 
I assume Huberdeau is immovable and Weegar is needed to stay.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:48 AM | #2752 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Niemo  Understood.  Which is why he is a maybe.  If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.
 Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.
 |  
I see all three of those guys being perfect candidates to go at the deadline
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:49 AM | #2753 |  
	| First Line Centre | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Niemo  Understood.  Which is why he is a maybe.  If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.
 Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.
 
 I assume Huberdeau is immovable and Weegar is needed to stay.
 |  
Lomberg isn’t getting shipped anywhere.
		 
				__________________    |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Sec214 For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:49 AM | #2754 |  
	| Powerplay Quarterback | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Royle9  From what I’ve heard Craig is listening to offers on just about anyone outside of Wolf & Parekh if someone wants to chat.
 I don’t think they’d trade: (doubtful)
 
 Coronato
 Huberdeau
 Backlund
 Kadri
 |  
Do you think he is open to dealing Weegar and Zary?  I just see that he isn't on your list.
 
Is Frost being shopped?
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:52 AM | #2755 |  
	| Franchise Player 
				 
				Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary      | 
 
			
			Conroy mentioned yesterday,  he was confident Zary and Frost would re-sign
 I would be surprised, if he was shopping these type of players
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following User Says Thank You to flambers For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:52 AM | #2756 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			If this isn't a sign that this team needs a complete 180 on the way they deal with veterans and their future with this team, I don't know what is.
 Stop waiting until the contract year to find out you don't want to give these guys 8 year contracts. Don't worry about saving face to the fans ("See? Players DO want to play in Calgary!").
 
 It was so obvious that Andersson should have been traded over a year ago but somehow this organization lacked this kind of foresight after going through this with Hanifin.
 
 Time for things to change.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:53 AM | #2757 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			I also see this as another example of a growing trend of players exercising more control over where they go. NTC are part of it, but if you don't have a full one, you can still engineer outcomes by being clear where you will/won't sign. Carolina looked past that when they acquired Rantanen and it burned them (though they did a nice job of recouping assets by flipping him). 
 And this will start to happen more with prospects and even at the draft. Montreal didn't pass over Michkov as much as he passed over them. He didn't end up in Philly by fluke - he engineered it to happen.
 
 So maybe it does require a different operating model for teams like the Flames. But this is going to increase the advantage that certain markets have who are destinations because players will exert control to end up there, which pushes the acquisition prices down for those teams.
 
				 Last edited by Jiri Hrdina; 06-29-2025 at 11:02 AM.
 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Jiri Hrdina For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:55 AM | #2758 |  
	| Franchise Player | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Niemo  Do you think he is open to dealing Weegar and Zary?  I just see that he isn't on your list.
 Is Frost being shopped?
 |  
Why would they shop Zary or Frost?
 
I mean, being willing to include them in a deal, for the right return, is one thing.  But shopping them is another.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:56 AM | #2759 |  
	| Scoring Winger 
				 
				Join Date: Mar 2024 Location: Victoria, BC      | 
 
			
			Why are we all acting like yesterday was the deadline to move Andersson? We don't even know what was being offered other than Vegas probably trying to lowball us.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
			| The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Lewis_D For This Useful Post: |  |  
	
		
	
	
	
		|  06-29-2025, 10:56 AM | #2760 |  
	| Powerplay Quarterback | 
 
			
			
	Quote: 
	
		| 
					Originally Posted by Enoch Root  Why would they shop Zary or Frost?
 I mean, being willing to include them in a deal, for the right return, is one thing.  But shopping them is another.
 |  
Only asking since they weren't named on the list.
		 |  
	|   |   |  
	
		
	
	
	
	
	| 
	|  Posting Rules |  
	| 
		
		You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts 
 HTML code is Off 
 |  |  |  All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:06 PM. | 
 
 
 |