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Old 06-29-2025, 10:39 AM   #2741
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Kadri isn't getting moved anytime soon, but yes Coleman should already be a consideration given the winger depth we have.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:40 AM   #2742
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I admire the optimism of fans who are unaffected by the track record of this franchise when it comes to asset management.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:41 AM   #2743
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Just throwing this out there (if it hasn't been mentioned already), but what about the possibility of signing RA to a short term deal (2 year extension) at a higher AAV then he'd get on the market now that we have the money? Then come to his last year we shop him with retention? He wins now by getting a load of money, and can test free agency with a higher cap in a couple years, while we also recoup assets at a later time. I'd only do this if we aren't getting the value we want, closer to the deadline.
I believe Conroy mentioned he is looking for a long term extension now. He is worth more today than he will be on the other side of 30 with signing a long term deal.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:43 AM   #2744
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Yeah, I was surprised at how many posters kept arguing that we'll get as much this year as we would have last year.

As with Hanifin, and others, it isn't true.

We did well with the Markstrom trade, yes - but that doesn't mean we couldn't have gotten Bahl, the 1st, and more, had we traded him the prior doeadline.
IMO the Markstrom trade is the example of being proactive.

They didn't wait and they moved him with retention with 2 full seasons left and got a great return for a 35 year old goalie.

If they took the same approach with Andersson last draft we are probably talking about 2 1st round picks + as a potential return if they retained 50%
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:44 AM   #2745
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The difference with Dobson was there was a team that both had the assets to make the trade with and was a team he wanted to sign with.
True, but the main point was that maybe we are too leaky. Should keep cards close. That makes me a hypocrite because I like the communication, but maybe we need to sacrifice that.

Lots of leaks from the Flames and that’s generating excitement in the fanbase in advance of something might not happen. Plus it makes things awkward if a trade doesn't happen. It probably means that every team knows where Ras will sign and where he won’t.

We all know Ras is a pro, and team first. If a trade isn’t done he’ll do his best for the team when the season starts. As a fan I don’t want that for him.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:44 AM   #2746
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I hope management is taking notes and thinking Coleman and maybe Kadri. At least Coleman....

Something about fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, fool me thrice......fool me 4 times.....
Kadri has a no movement clause
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:46 AM   #2747
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From what I’ve heard Craig is listening to offers on just about anyone outside of Wolf & Parekh if someone wants to chat.

I don’t think they’d trade: (doubtful)

Coronato
Huberdeau
Backlund
Kadri

Bubble guys (I think we should entertain offers) for the right price:

Coleman
Pospisil
Sharky

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Old 06-29-2025, 10:46 AM   #2748
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I admire the optimism of fans who are unaffected by the track record of this franchise when it comes to asset management.
Unless you know the deals offered at any given time, I don't see how anyone can criticize the moves not made.
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Forgive us for our cynicism, but we are well conditioned to angst given our track record with getting fair returns for players. (nothing for Gio/Brodie/johnny). Gifting a first rounder to get rid of Mony. Reduced returns for Hanifin. So yeah, it’s understandable why we are on edge. Yes, those are mostly Treliving issues (or Treliving caused issues). And now faced with a potential reduced return for our best trade chip. Team can’t catch a break. Perpetually pushing sand uphill. Would be nice to catch a good break for once.
Maybe take a breather and focus on some of the positives for a week or two and see whether something shakes out over the first week of July. Here, I’ll help:

Drafting Johnny in the fourth round.
Getting monahan at 6 when he was the third best player in that draft
Getting Tkachuk at 6 when he was the second best player/ possibly best player in that draft
Trading for Dougie Hamilton
Trading for Lindholm and Hanifin
Drafting a potential superstar goalie with their final pick in the 7th round
The Elias Lindholm return
The Markstrom return with Bahl
Mackenzie fricken Weaver and his sweet contract
Coronato’s emergence
Zayne Parekh
Andrew Basha
The entire 2024 draft class
Cole Reschny (whom I guarantee you’re going to love!)
The Flames’deep prospect pool
Watching a team with a high give a crap meter
Jarome Iginla hyping up players being part of the organization.
Lanny McDonald, the classiest man in hockey.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:46 AM   #2750
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IMO the Markstrom trade is the example of being proactive.

They didn't wait and they moved him with retention with 2 full seasons left and got a great return for a 35 year old goalie.

If they took the same approach with Andersson last draft we are probably talking about 2 1st round picks + as a potential return if they retained 50%
I didn’t think there’d be much difference between the this year’s deadline and offseason but the deadline was pretty good for sellers.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:47 AM   #2751
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Kadri has a no movement clause
Understood. Which is why he is a maybe. If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.

Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.

I assume Huberdeau is immovable and Weegar is needed to stay.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:48 AM   #2752
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Understood. Which is why he is a maybe. If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.

Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.
I see all three of those guys being perfect candidates to go at the deadline
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:49 AM   #2753
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Understood. Which is why he is a maybe. If he doesn't want to even go to Toronto, then it is what it is.

Coleman, Backlund (if he doesn't resign cheap), Lomberg need to be shipped this year along with Rasmus.

I assume Huberdeau is immovable and Weegar is needed to stay.
Lomberg isn’t getting shipped anywhere.
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From what I’ve heard Craig is listening to offers on just about anyone outside of Wolf & Parekh if someone wants to chat.

I don’t think they’d trade: (doubtful)

Coronato
Huberdeau
Backlund
Kadri
Do you think he is open to dealing Weegar and Zary? I just see that he isn't on your list.

Is Frost being shopped?
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:52 AM   #2755
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Conroy mentioned yesterday, he was confident Zary and Frost would re-sign

I would be surprised, if he was shopping these type of players
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:52 AM   #2756
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If this isn't a sign that this team needs a complete 180 on the way they deal with veterans and their future with this team, I don't know what is.

Stop waiting until the contract year to find out you don't want to give these guys 8 year contracts. Don't worry about saving face to the fans ("See? Players DO want to play in Calgary!").

It was so obvious that Andersson should have been traded over a year ago but somehow this organization lacked this kind of foresight after going through this with Hanifin.

Time for things to change.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:53 AM   #2757
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I also see this as another example of a growing trend of players exercising more control over where they go. NTC are part of it, but if you don't have a full one, you can still engineer outcomes by being clear where you will/won't sign. Carolina looked past that when they acquired Rantanen and it burned them (though they did a nice job of recouping assets by flipping him).

And this will start to happen more with prospects and even at the draft. Montreal didn't pass over Michkov as much as he passed over them. He didn't end up in Philly by fluke - he engineered it to happen.

So maybe it does require a different operating model for teams like the Flames. But this is going to increase the advantage that certain markets have who are destinations because players will exert control to end up there, which pushes the acquisition prices down for those teams.

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Do you think he is open to dealing Weegar and Zary? I just see that he isn't on your list.

Is Frost being shopped?
Why would they shop Zary or Frost?

I mean, being willing to include them in a deal, for the right return, is one thing. But shopping them is another.
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Old 06-29-2025, 10:56 AM   #2759
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Why are we all acting like yesterday was the deadline to move Andersson? We don't even know what was being offered other than Vegas probably trying to lowball us.
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Why would they shop Zary or Frost?

I mean, being willing to include them in a deal, for the right return, is one thing. But shopping them is another.
Only asking since they weren't named on the list.
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