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Old 06-29-2025, 07:41 AM   #2641
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The difference is that it sounds like teams actually met whatever price Conroy wanted. It’s not unexpected his value is tied to re-signing but would have been nice to get an actual premium return for him.

I’d think he still wants to be traded before the new CBA kicks in though
But that isn't new either. We had already heard that he didn't want to extend in Buffalo, and we know that one of the teams talking extensively with Conroy over the last couple days was Buffalo, so we can probably infer that was one of the two. We don't know the other.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:42 AM   #2642
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I guess I don’t understand what “sucks” about this.

To have a totally willing player who wil negotiate with another team in order to get a better return for the team he’s leaving IS A RARITY. it’s a bonus. A bonus. 100% a bonus if it happens.

Any other way of trading him, such as at the deadline, is NORMAL.
What it means, is the leverage, ability to shop him to other teams is gone,

Return is going to be 50 cents on the dollar type of a thing

i.e. if the player not open to resign,

If Hodson was not open to re-sign, I bet the trade never occurs... type of thing
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:42 AM   #2643
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I don’t understand the anger some have with players making it known that they won’t sign extensions in some circumstances (Hanifin/Andersson)
Forcing them to do so would be just as bad if not worse than trying to trade them after negotiating a no trade clause with them
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:42 AM   #2644
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That 2 teams met conroys price, but Andersson stood in the way, is massively disappointing. If he wants to pad his stats in Calgary, for personal gain, I'd spitefully put him on the third pairing. But, that's just my annoyance talking.
It is an interesting angle on this strategy. Are the Flames waiting too long and conceding leverage to the player? It appears that way. If other teams are not prepared to meet the price because Andersson, like Hanifin, is letting it be known that he only interested in extending with certain teams, surely that limits the pool of potential suitors.

I think there’s two sides to this argument, either the Flames become a bit more ruthless and trade players for max value regardless of their situation, or stay the course. I think there’s two sides Flames over the past couple seasons have become fairly player friendly l, and this has its benefits, I think. I think it is important for the Flames to demonstrate consistency in their approach.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:44 AM   #2645
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Holy overreaction, Batman. We're not even at free agency yet. One year of Andersson, especially if retained, is still very valuable. It'll get done and some will be disappointed with the return, whatever it ends up being.
Teams are not going to provide a big return for a 1 year rental,
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:45 AM   #2646
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I guess I don’t understand what “sucks” about this.

To have a totally willing player who wil negotiate with another team in order to get a better return for the team he’s leaving IS A RARITY. it’s a bonus. A bonus. 100% a bonus if it happens.

Any other way of trading him, such as at the deadline, is NORMAL.
It wasn’t really a bonus in the Hanifin situation. Wonder where Andersson wants to go. Apparently not Vegas or other mystery team which I’m guessing is Columbus because of the Dobson situation.

There will be some pressure on him if he wants eight years so next week could be interesting.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:46 AM   #2647
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Not surprised at all. I said this at the deadline that then was the time to trade him. Anderson has said he wants to win now. Him doing a sign and trade would probably only be a couple teams. If they can’t do sign and trade I hope flames trade him to someone not on his blocked list before start of season. If the flames are in playoff spot at next years deadline I have my doubts they would trade him for a late first and c prospect.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:47 AM   #2648
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I love that Conroy is sticking to his guns and not a pushover, he’s building his brand amongst the GMs and I think he’s been killing it, especially how he’s attacking drafts, lots of draft capital the last 3 years and already 8 picks for next year, he’s completely revitalizing the prospect system of the team and generating longevity in the cupboards. It’s fantastic to see, I don’t understand the constant lamenting from some posters when they hear something that is still very speculative especially when I think by now Conroy has proven he’s got a path that he’s following and he’s getting great value out of drafting and asset management. Has he won every trade? No but he’s still got pieces from every trade to be excited about; Reschny and an extended Bahl for Markstrom is a pretty great return early on and could become a remarkable return in time. Miromanov has been disappointing but we still have Vegas 1st next year so it’s hard to be fully upset about the return on that trade IMO.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:50 AM   #2649
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The day has come. We're truly Buffalo west.

Basically becoming a feeder system for the rest of the league.

At this point, overpay and keep him. Break the cycle.
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The day has come. We're truly Buffalo west.

Basically becoming a feeder system for the rest of the league.

At this point, overpay and keep him. Break the cycle.
lol wut. Break the cycle of a rebuild?
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:52 AM   #2651
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lol wut. Break the cycle of a rebuild?
Of losing players for peanuts.

This is retool, we already have 30+ players. He still fits the plan.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:52 AM   #2652
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But that isn't new either. We had already heard that he didn't want to extend in Buffalo, and we know that one of the teams talking extensively with Conroy over the last couple days was Buffalo, so we can probably infer that was one of the two. We don't know the other.
This my own bias but I don’t think one of the teams that thought it had was done was Buffalo because there is no way Andersson was signing there.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:52 AM   #2653
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I guess I don’t understand what “sucks” about this.

To have a totally willing player who wil negotiate with another team in order to get a better return for the team he’s leaving IS A RARITY. it’s a bonus. A bonus. 100% a bonus if it happens.

Any other way of trading him, such as at the deadline, is NORMAL.
According to Freidman, Andersson turned down multiple teams who asked about extending him. Since Andersson presumably submitted his no-trade-list before the process started, these were teams that weren't on the list.

It sounds like Andersson does not want to extend, period. He wants to play out the season and try to increase his value in the market. It's a gamble for the Flames, because if Andersson doesn't rebound after a so-so 2024-25, or he gets injured, his value goes down. And now he's a rental, which narrows the market further.

Basically, a player who won't extend is worth less than one who will.
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While true, I think Flames fans are entitled to a little concern given how the Hanifin situation played out
Maybe in February or even in September... But on June 29th the reactions are a bit ridiculous.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:54 AM   #2655
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Yep, my guess that the team which is speculated in Friedman on 32 Thoughts, is not Buffalo.

Of course, that a guess.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:55 AM   #2656
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Andersson update from Friedman on 32 Thoughts:

- Team isn’t going to acquire him unless they can extend him (won’t pay the acquisition cost without extension)
- Andersson has a lot of power here
- A team did think they were going to get it done, but Andersson wouldn’t extend at this time
- Vegas took a big run
- Other teams couldn’t get the commitment that Andersson would sign
- Calgary sees benefit to Andersson wanting to have a big season
- It’s a gamble for the Flames
I mean, I’ve said all along that Anderssons value is only there if he resigns with the team that acquires him.
Lots of people kept saying “Buffalo” and Buffalo does have interest, lots of interest but Rasmus isn’t extending there, he wants to compete.

VGK took a run, Rasmus would extend but their offer wasn’t enough they’ve got little to offer in futures.
SJ took a run, wouldn’t offer what CGY wanted initially then it got close but Andersson wouldn’t commit long term.
I was told CAR took a run too, but value wasn’t enough at this time
Teams are trying to leverage a trade without extension to get him cheaper and then try to extend on their own.
Still believe this gets done before the season, there’s just no sense to let this drag on and diminish the value

I personally feel like perhaps Andersson is playing hardball now and trying to have a good season with CGY to maximize his own pay day. But that’s just what’s going through my head based on how this weekend played out.

There was tons of interest but nothing done.
But those 32 thoughts essentially lineup with what I’ve been saying for a while now so that’s a plus.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:55 AM   #2657
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Enough with the no trade clauses. This organization has given them out like candy in the past and we need to stop.
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Old 06-29-2025, 07:57 AM   #2658
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Teams are not going to provide a big return for a 1 year rental,
So the way I see it, he wants to go to a contender, preferably on with a low tax situation. Doesn’t want to go to a bubble team which really starts to narrow the list.

So Dregs was probably right. LA, Vegas and Toronto. Add to that list Carolina/florida/Tampa/Dallas. Need clarity/resolution to Ekblad/Byram situation as some of these teams are in on andersson too.
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Enough with the no trade clauses. This organization has given them out like candy in the past and we need to stop.
I don’t think no trade is a factor here. He could have zero protection and he could still say no to extending.
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I personally feel like perhaps Andersson is playing hardball now and trying to have a good season with CGY to maximize his own pay day. But that’s just what’s going through my head based on how this weekend played out.
That is a heck of a gamble by him. He’ll have to have a good enough season to offset losing a year on a contract guaranteed and two years if the Flames decide to keep him at the deadline. I think he’ll go over the summer.

The only potential fumble from Conroy was keeping him at the deadline but we will see.
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