Conroy Comments for June 26

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by McG

Yeah this one was a head scratcher; very trelivingesque. Basically gave the pick away.

At that, the Flames got some NHL games out of Okhotiuk, which the average 5th-round pick doesn't. We'll just have to see what Colton Roberts amounts to.

I can understand what Conroy was doing. He wanted to reload the system with defence prospects, and deliberately got more than he had room for. He knew some would bust, but not which ones. Okhotiuk was the price of doing business with imperfect information.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by musth

and that was a swing and a miss. But im glad cc is up there

100%

[Freddy]

I’m a big fan of CC as GM and believe in what he’s doing.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Beyond questionable that he has been forced to trade anyone but let’s analyze the idea that he traded players he tried to sign for tweeners and not picks or prospects. Below are the trades he made with the Flames player and the age of the player he acquired at the time of the trade

Toffoli for an 18 year old and a 25 year old

Lindholm for a 19 year old, 21 year old, 17 year old, 17 year old and 27 year old

Zadorov for a 17 year old and 15 year old

Tanev for a 20 year old, a 17 year old and a conditional pick that never came to fruition who was 15 at the time.

Hanifin for a 15 year old, 18 year old and 26 year old.

When 10 out of the 14 assets cannot legally drink in Vegas at the time of the trades I am not sure how they are not picks and prospects. They certainly are not tweeners.

Conroy himself has said he is targeting players that help now and in the future. The biggest pieces of recent trades is Sharongovich, Bahl, Frost, Farabee, Miromanov, etc.

Its not a question of if Conroy has been targeting tweeners. He has been. The question is should he be. In my opinion, the strategy of targeting those types of players is more likely to keep you in the middle then moving you forward.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kehatch

Conroy himself has said he is targeting players that help now and in the future. The biggest pieces of recent trades is Sharongovich, Bahl, Frost, Farabee, Miromanov, etc.

Its not a question of if Conroy has been targeting tweeners. He has been. The question is should he be. In my opinion, the strategy of targeting those types of players is more likely to keep you in the middle then moving you forward.

Those players are not keeping you in the middle.

You have to ice a team

[GullFoss]

If wolf has a down season and vladar isn't there as back-up, this upcoming season could be the perfect storm.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

At that, the Flames got some NHL games out of Okhotiuk, which the average 5th-round pick doesn't. We'll just have to see what Colton Roberts amounts to.

I can understand what Conroy was doing. He wanted to reload the system with defence prospects, and deliberately got more than he had room for. He knew some would bust, but not which ones. Okhotiuk was the price of doing business with imperfect information.

I made the assumption that Conroy didn't know that Ohotyiuk was going back to Russia. However, given it was only a 5th, and seeing how much San Jose valued him in the trade coming from New Jersey, I believe Conroy probably did know that he wanted to return to Russia. He probably felt that given all of the other Russian and Belarussian players, that Okhotyiuk could be convinced to stay. Didn't work out, and that's fine. It was a good roll of the dice. Just a rare swing and a miss. Conroy would have used the 5th to draft a player 10/10 times had he known for sure that he wouldn't be able to change his mind, as those games were meaningless.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I made the assumption that Conroy didn't know that Ohotyiuk was going back to Russia. However, given it was only a 5th, and seeing how much San Jose valued him in the trade coming from New Jersey, I believe Conroy probably did know that he wanted to return to Russia. He probably felt that given all of the other Russian and Belarussian players, that Okhotyiuk could be convinced to stay. Didn't work out, and that's fine. It was a good roll of the dice. Just a rare swing and a miss. Conroy would have used the 5th to draft a player 10/10 times had he known for sure that he wouldn't be able to change his mind, as those games were meaningless.

Yes and it seems like the team was trying out several dmen late in that year. Pachal, Hanley, Ohotyiuk
One worked out long-term (Pachal)
One worked out short-term (Hanley)
One didn't work out at all (Ohotyiuk)