[Rumour] Flames and Andersson “not on the same page” for contract extension

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I get trying to move up but that’s easier said than done. Not sure why any team drafting top 10 would want to move back in a weak draft.

Speed up a rebuild. It could make sense depending on team especially teams with multiple picks like Philadelphia or San Jose.

I think Andersson is being criminally underrated on CP these days.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Which trades are you historically referencing?

Hanifin (late 1st + tweener), Lindholm (late 1st, 2x 2nd), Chychrun (mid 1st, 2x 2nd).

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I do still think Calgary has put priority to moving up in the draft.
I think an Andersson move could play into that as well, whether immediate help or using what they get in an Andersson trade and packaging further.

18 + Pospisil
For
9th + Samuelsson

9th + Rasmus + 32 for 2

Misa. Flame.

And then I wake up

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I get trying to move up but that’s easier said than done. Not sure why any team drafting top 10 would want to move back in a weak draft.

By all accounts there’s close to a consensus top-10, then a drop-off. I imagine it would be very hard to get into the top-10.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

By all accounts there’s close to a consensus top-10, then a drop-off. I imagine it would be very hard to get into the top-10.

Just because there is a consensus top 10, doesn't mean the 10 teams drafting agree with it, and like all 10 players

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just because there is a consensus top 10, doesn't mean the 10 teams drafting agree with it, and like all 10 players

According to McKenzie’s article today, there’s an unusual consensus in the top 10 lists compared to other years. But within that top-10, there’s a lot of variation in where players are ranked.

Identifying the top 10 prospects this year is rather easy, bordering on obvious.

If you look at TSN’s final list, and then check any of the myriad independent scouting lists elsewhere, you’re pretty much going to find the same eight to 10 names immediately following Schaefer and Misa.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/air-of-unpred...king-1.2325555

Which suggests there’s a ledge at around pick 11, and the cost to get up into that ledge will be high.

[Matty81]

I could definitely see it not being just a top 10... somebody in the top ten who really needs a dman and is flush with forwards jumping to grab Mrtka, Smith or even Aitcheson, or McQueen sliding based on injury concerns/small sample size this year. I feel like there will be a ledge there somewhere around 11-14 though for sure. But I've never seen a draft go according to consensus for that long and I wouldn't expect it to start this year in a bit of a wildcard draft. Wheeler has the Sabres drafting Mrtka for example, and Morreale has them drafting Aicheson.

I'd love for the Flames to be able to grab an extra pick for Rasmus between 9-16. I get that we need a center but it would be great to be able to use 18 on a winger who can drive offence as well, I look at Cullen Potter and feel like he's a player who has more game breaking skating and puckhandling than any of the second tier of centers but it would be tough for the Flames to pick him even if he's there at 18 when the organization has done such a poor job amassing centers

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

According to McKenzie’s article today, there’s an unusual consensus in the top 10 lists compared to other years. But within that top-10, there’s a lot of variation in where players are ranked.



Which suggests there’s a ledge at around pick 11, and the cost to get up into that ledge will be high.

It could also mean that a team picking later in the top 10 has their heart set on a particular player and if that guy goes earlier that they could then be willing to trade down. If a player that the flames covet it is still available it might make sense for the Flames to do a trade with that team.

I interpret the top 10 consensus, but then not all of the teams agreeing on the order inside that top ten, as a potential opportunity for a trade.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I get trying to move up but that’s easier said than done. Not sure why any team drafting top 10 would want to move back in a weak draft.

The Sharks and Blackhawks already have loaded prospect pools. Neither team needs another #1C or #2C but they do need to start winning now if they want to keep Celebrini / Bedard happy.

The Mammoth are likely thinking about what they need to add to 'win now' with the expectation that Cooley and Iginla are their 1/2 C combination for the next decade or more.

The Sabres also need more immediate help instead of whoever they pick at #9.

That is 4 teams that I can think of that would consider trading out of the top 10 if it gets them immediate help.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

According to McKenzie’s article today, there’s an unusual consensus in the top 10 lists compared to other years. But within that top-10, there’s a lot of variation in where players are ranked.



Which suggests there’s a ledge at around pick 11, and the cost to get up into that ledge will be high.

Again, just because there is a clear ledge, does not mean the teams drafting top 10 are enamoured with those prospects. The fact that there are 10 and then a drop, actually increases the likelihood of a team trading the pick because there are less options for them. If you don't like what's there, the best option could be swapping the pick for a roster player (or whatever).

[Jiri Hrdina]

I will be surprised if Eklund goes top 10.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I will be surprised if Eklund goes top 10.

Could definitely see it if SJ moves into the top 10 non pick 2. Say pick 9.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Sharks and Blackhawks already have loaded prospect pools. Neither team needs another #1C or #2C but they do need to start winning now if they want to keep Celebrini / Bedard happy.

The Mammoth are likely thinking about what they need to add to 'win now' with the expectation that Cooley and Iginla are their 1/2 C combination for the next decade or more.

The Sabres also need more immediate help instead of whoever they pick at #9.

That is 4 teams that I can think of that would consider trading out of the top 10 if it gets them immediate help.

While that may be true for the Hawks and SJ, I doubt that Andersson fits their needs, and he's told old for their current payers.

Chicago needs forwards more than dmen, and would only move the 3oa for a young established forward. If the Hawks really wanted a winger, that could draft Martone or move Nazar to wing.

SJ would want a young dman more than an Andersson type.

I'd be sruprised if either trades their pick actually.

[Toast_Man]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

While that may be true for the Hawks and SJ, I doubt that Andersson fits their needs, and he's told old for their current payers.

Chicago needs forwards more than dmen, and would only move the 3oa for a young established forward. If the Hawks really wanted a winger, that could draft Martone or move Nazar to wing.

SJ would want a young dman more than an Andersson type.

I'd be sruprised if either trades their pick actually.

Just looking at San Jose's D core and they desperately could use someone like Andersson. They currently have Vincent Desharnais playing top 4.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Musty would be a guy to target with San Jose.

[FlamesAreOne]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1937253774722060399

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Toast_Man

Just looking at San Jose's D core and they desperately could use someone like Andersson. They currently have Vincent Desharnais playing top 4.

I'm certainly not saying Andersson wouldn't make any team better. Especially SJ.

But with such a young core, I'm sure they rather add a dman who is much younger. And if they are dangling a chance at, say, Misa, they'll likely have a number of suitable offers.

But that might not stop them from trying to trade for Andersson with other assets, just not the 2oa.

[TheScorpion]

I look at what Utah gave up for Sergachev a year ago and that would be my model for a Rasmus deal, especially if an extension was baked in:

Geekie (Top-6 C prospect) + Moser (young Top-4 D) + 2nd + 7th

If I'm looking at Detroit as a potential trade partner, are you looking at ...

Danielson/Brandsegg-Nygard + Wallinder/Albert Johansson + similar picks?

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Speed up a rebuild. It could make sense depending on team especially teams with multiple picks like Philadelphia or San Jose.

I think Andersson is being criminally underrated on CP these days.

I understand teams wanting to speed up rebuild , but you can’t force a player to sign there. Rumours for a year now is Anderson wants to go some place where he can win now. Sure flames could try and trade him to bottom 10 team but why is a bottom team trading their pick for him if they don’t think he will re-sign?

The Anderson trade speculation reminds me of the hanifin trade speculation. 3/4 of the posts were trading hanifin to a team outside of playoff race . When push came to shove Hanifin had only a couple teams he would doe sign and trade with. It lowered his value .

[Bonded]

Reminds me more of the Markstrom for 10th and Mercer or Lindholm for the 3OA