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Old 06-19-2025, 12:06 PM   #141
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The cost to get a team take on $20M of unwanted cap is simply too much for Dallas to stomach.
Are you sure, have you talked to them? Do you know the offers, if any at all? Dallas is so dangerously close to the cap, they are likely doing their due diligence to consider all paths forward - especially considering they just signed Duchene yesterday.
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Dallas is in tight, but Marchmant should be an easy clear. Bourque is prime target for 2nd round offer sheet. Have ti think they move him.


Have to think they try and move Dumba.




I'd take dumba+bourque for future considerations
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Definitely take Dumba on if it means Bourque comes dirt cheap.
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Dallas is in tight, but Marchmant should be an easy clear. Bourque is prime target for 2nd round offer sheet. Have ti think they move him.

Have to think they try and move Dumba.

I'd take dumba+bourque for future considerations
With the new offer sheet tiers, a team could offer Bourque $2.33M and only give the Stars a 3rd. Huge risk for the Stars.

With Duchene's signing, moving Dumba is not enough... Lyubushkin likely needs to go too just so the team can sign Lundkvist and enough league-minimum contracts to fill the roster.
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Old 06-19-2025, 12:41 PM   #145
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Dallas is in tight, but Marchmant should be an easy clear. Bourque is prime target for 2nd round offer sheet. Have ti think they move him.


Have to think they try and move Dumba.




I'd take dumba+bourque for future considerations
And Dumba is from Calgary. Works for me!
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Old 06-19-2025, 12:45 PM   #146
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Prob in the minority but with the McDavid comments I might think about seeing what I could get for him from NYR or TOR.

Shesterkin Fox unprotected 1st etc etc etc.
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Prob in the minority but with the McDavid comments I might think about seeing what I could get for him from NYR or TOR.

Shesterkin Fox unprotected 1st etc etc etc.
Fox forced to go to Edmonton would be good.
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Definitely take Dumba on if it means Bourque comes dirt cheap.
I think this is a pretty realistic way to get a young talent like Bourque while weaponizing our cap space
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Why would Dallas make this move? They’d be effectively clearing cap space, sure. But adding in who I’m assuming they view as his replacement makes no sense.
I think it makes sense as a 3-team trade and Dallas keeps Robertson.

Flames trade Coleman to Dallas for Seguin, Bourque and 1st in 2027

Flames trade Seguin to team that he is willing to waive to for a 2nd

Flames get Bourque, 1st and 2nd for Coleman, cap they lose is whatever Bourque signs for. 50% of Seguin is around the same as Coleman's deal.
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Dallas is in tight, but Marchmant should be an easy clear. Bourque is prime target for 2nd round offer sheet. Have ti think they move him.


Have to think they try and move Dumba.




I'd take dumba+bourque for future considerations
I'll skip Bourque and take a pick for their cap dumps. Dumba, Seguin, whatever.
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I think something around Robertson for the 4th overall is very interesting for both sides.

Dallas would essentially be swapping:
Robertson, Stankovin, 2 future 1sts
For
Rantanen+Frondell/Hagens/Martone

I think Dallas comes ahead depending who they would pick with the top 4 pick.

Adding a star like Robertson to Utah makes them a pretty dangerous team immediately
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Yeah, I wouldn’t be too happy if I was an oilers fan after that presser
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Old 06-19-2025, 01:04 PM   #153
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I think something around Robertson for the 4th overall is very interesting for both sides.

Dallas would essentially be swapping:
Robertson, Stankovin, 2 future 1sts
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Rantanen+Frondell/Hagens/Martone

I think Dallas comes ahead depending who they would pick with the top 4 pick.

Adding a star like Robertson to Utah makes them a pretty dangerous team immediately
I like that deal for both sides but I guess the concern for Utah is that Robertson doesn't want to re-sign in Utah a year from now
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What if the whatever is both of the Flames 2026 1st rounders unprotected?

Andersson, Mews, 18, 26 1st CGY, 26 1st LV
That's insane, there is no way Conroy would even consider trading 2026 first round picks, considering this will be the McKenna year, no gm in their right might would trade 4 first round picks for the 2nd overall, not withstanding the fact those 2026 could be first overall. Last time time I remember a team trading that much was Lindros, and he was like elite generational at the time and first overall
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I like that deal for both sides but I guess the concern for Utah is that Robertson doesn't want to re-sign in Utah a year from now
He is at least still a RFA so there is some team control albeit not much since he would only be 1 year to free agency. In division makes it tough as well.

Would Dallas trade Robertson to Carolina for Stankovin and their 2 1sts back? Carolina is going to be star chasing this summer
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That's insane, there is no way Conroy would even consider trading 2026 first round picks, considering this will be the McKenna year, no gm in their right might would trade 4 first round picks for the 2nd overall, not withstanding the fact those 2026 could be first overall. Last time time I remember a team trading that much was Lindros, and he was like elite generational at the time and first overall
Why is San Jose moving a top 2 pick for a veteran, a mid 1st and a prospect? Teams never trade top 2 picks so for it to happen it needs to be insane.

Not saying I would do that trade but if someone says do whatever it takes I think it takes an offer like that for the team with the worst record in the league to move their 2nd overall pick
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I think it makes sense as a 3-team trade and Dallas keeps Robertson.

Flames trade Coleman to Dallas for Seguin, Bourque and 1st in 2027

Flames trade Seguin to team that he is willing to waive to for a 2nd

Flames get Bourque, 1st and 2nd for Coleman, cap they lose is whatever Bourque signs for. 50% of Seguin is around the same as Coleman's deal.
Or a conditional 1st based on the acquiring team's playoff performance. How was Seguin in this year's playoffs? Would he be worth that price to a contender?
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If I'm Dallas I'm moving Marchment, Dumba, and Lybushkin before I even think about trading Robertson.

Then after next year you tell Seguin waive the NMC or we buy you out most likely and move him when Robertson needs a raise.

Hintz, Johnston, Robertson, Rantanen, Heiskanen, Harley, Oettinger

That is the core, if I'm Dallas i'm not moving pieces out of that core with the cap rising.

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Then after next year you tell Seguin waive the NMC or we buy you out most likely and move him when Robertson needs a raise..
Strictly speaking he'd have to waive the NMC for them to buy him out, so that threat lacks teeth.
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