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Old 06-18-2025, 11:01 PM   #61
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He's been doing the same thing this whole time and he's also been transparent about it the whole time.

He's not making short term decisions to win now, but also not going scorched earth and embracing a losing mentality. He's trying to manage assets in a way to build a strong base of picks and young players without moving everything out all at once.

Even with Frost and Farabee he brought in 2 25 year olds that weren't meant to be short term assets, and bought low on them.
It’s not short term but it was a now move because these next few years for 26 year olds is their peak production. Probably 3-4 years. While the trade is fine it’s not a great trade for building unless we can send them out for assets in a few years.
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Old 06-18-2025, 11:03 PM   #62
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It’s not short term but it was a now move because these next few years for 26 year olds is their peak production. Probably 3-4 years. While the trade is fine it’s not a great trade for building unless we can send them out for assets in a few years.
The only valuable asset given up was a 2nd, I'd bet you could recoup that pretty easily for both of them before the contracts expire.

Not just a win now move at all.

The mindset that the only long term moves are trading for draft picks is silly.
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The only valuable asset given up was a 2nd, I'd bet you could recoup that pretty easily for both of them before the contracts expire.

Not just a win now move at all.

The mindset that the only long term moves are trading for draft picks is silly.
Long term would be 23 and under like he stated that could grow with the team. That quickly changed to 26 and under as he found out teams are t giving those guys up easily.

Not talking just picks. These types of players get traded every year as well. It’s a better move to make when your team has the top end pieces.
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Long term would be 23 and under like he stated that could grow with the team. That quickly changed to 26 and under as he found out teams are t giving those guys up easily.

Not talking just picks. These types of players get traded every year as well. It’s a better move to make when your team has the top end pieces.
Adding Frost and Farabee for a 2nd is great asset management. 5% chance you get someone better let alone getting 2 guys.

25 is fine, 5 years from now they are 30. Teams that win the cup have key players over 30
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The only valuable asset given up was a 2nd, I'd bet you could recoup that pretty easily for both of them before the contracts expire.

Not just a win now move at all.

The mindset that the only long term moves are trading for draft picks is silly.
This was a good trade for Calgary, notwithstanding that neither player produced much for Calagry.

The cost was low because Farabee was essentially a cap dump from Philly's perspective. Calagry can absorb it easily while they see if Farabee is worth something.

It's the basis of good trades, each team values the return more than the other team.
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Old 06-19-2025, 06:22 AM   #66
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I think there are many Flames fans who will be disappointed with the return in any Andersson trade.
I’m not at liberty to share, trust me I asked.
But I can promise you that there were teams interested previously with pretty solid offers, nothing I think most would be disappointed with at all.

Now things can change, but I do feel like people undervalue his skill set and what he brings to whatever team is next. His swagger is known league wide and his ability to play 2way responsible D while putting up pretty good points and getting in other teams heads. Add leadership and he’s got more to bring than most people think.

I’m the opposite, I think more people undervalue him significantly.
Rasmus compared to Wallman?? Come on… that’s not even remotely close. Wallman has no heart, no drive, no push back he’s just a bottom 4 plug.

Will Rasmus get you 3rd? No, if people think his value is that high then I agree.
But having “little value” I think stems from undervaluing what you watch every night and not seeing the positives over some of the negatives.

His value was sky high at the deadline last year. I know for certain it hasn’t tanked to nothing now.
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Old 06-19-2025, 06:54 AM   #67
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^ Those are some exciting news, and music to my ears. A part of me wishes that the Flames capitalized at the TD.

Do you know and can you share which 3-5 players did the Flames recieve the most calls on at the trade deadline? I assume Andersson, Kadri, Hanley, Vladar and Pospisil.
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Nope.
He just took a shot at the 2 easiest to confirm won’t be back.
I thought it was obvious I was joking but thanks for the confirmation lol
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My baseline for an Andersson trade is a slightly better Hanifin return. Should be an easy bar to clear.
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My understanding is that Walman still has another year left on his deal, whereas Andersson would be traded as a pending UFA.

Andersson should still have more value though
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My baseline for an Andersson trade is a slightly better Hanifin return. Should be an easy bar to clear.
This is my expectation. A mid to late 1st round pick and some change. Or some package of similar value.
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Or perhaps you should read that quote and try not to be abrasive with every post you make.

Maybe you are the bored one constantly logging into CP just to argue.

I’m confused how you get from that quote to the proposal you threw out there. Andersson, even extended, and 32OA for 7OA is pretty far fetched.

You don’t believe that the Bruins would do that, do you? You believe that is the best offer they would get for a 7OA?
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My understanding is that Walman still has another year left on his deal, whereas Andersson would be traded as a pending UFA.

Andersson should still have more value though
They both have one year left on their deal. Rasmus is a far superior dman to Walman.
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I’m not at liberty to share, trust me I asked.
But I can promise you that there were teams interested previously with pretty solid offers, nothing I think most would be disappointed with at all.

Now things can change, but I do feel like people undervalue his skill set and what he brings to whatever team is next. His swagger is known league wide and his ability to play 2way responsible D while putting up pretty good points and getting in other teams heads. Add leadership and he’s got more to bring than most people think.

I’m the opposite, I think more people undervalue him significantly.
Rasmus compared to Wallman?? Come on… that’s not even remotely close. Wallman has no heart, no drive, no push back he’s just a bottom 4 plug.

Will Rasmus get you 3rd? No, if people think his value is that high then I agree.
But having “little value” I think stems from undervaluing what you watch every night and not seeing the positives over some of the negatives.

His value was sky high at the deadline last year. I know for certain it hasn’t tanked to nothing now.
I want to believe 98% of this.
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If we are trading Andersson I really want them to target a sniper.

We have enough playmakers but this roster really lacks people who can rifle the puck. If we have to add so be it, simply find a way to acquire scorers.
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My baseline for an Andersson trade is a slightly better Hanifin return. Should be an easy bar to clear.
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This is my expectation. A mid to late 1st round pick and some change. Or some package of similar value.
This is more what I was thinking.
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Another first would be great. Someone is going to hit in this first round. Might as well take 3 cracks at it to get a good one.
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Andersson needs a healthy year this time. That will make teams pay up at the deadline.
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I get the trepidation over an Andersson trade given the Tanev & Hanifin returns but I have to think this will be different.
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I’m not at liberty to share, trust me I asked.
But I can promise you that there were teams interested previously with pretty solid offers, nothing I think most would be disappointed with at all.

Now things can change, but I do feel like people undervalue his skill set and what he brings to whatever team is next. His swagger is known league wide and his ability to play 2way responsible D while putting up pretty good points and getting in other teams heads. Add leadership and he’s got more to bring than most people think.

I’m the opposite, I think more people undervalue him significantly.
Rasmus compared to Wallman?? Come on… that’s not even remotely close. Wallman has no heart, no drive, no push back he’s just a bottom 4 plug.

Will Rasmus get you 3rd? No, if people think his value is that high then I agree.
But having “little value” I think stems from undervaluing what you watch every night and not seeing the positives over some of the negatives.

His value was sky high at the deadline last year. I know for certain it hasn’t tanked to nothing now.
Thanks Royle. Can you speak to how strong the returns would have been relative to what I have proposed below? Are these trade returns too high or comparable to what Andersson would have returned at the deadline?

Trade A)
To Detroit: Andersson (50% retained for next season and extended) + 18th overall
To Calgary: Danielson + 13th overall

Trade B)
To Columbus: Andersson (50% retained for next season and extended) + 32nd overall
To Calgary: Sillinger + 14th overall
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