2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I just wanted to say thanks again. I always appreciate your insights.

Thanks g! We all appreciate your insights as well.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It’s hard to figure this out because it just happens so rarely.

I could easily see it taking at least something like:

To SJ:
Andersson (extension negotiated)
Bahl
Zary
Pospisil
2025 1st Round Pick (18th)
2025 1st Round Pick (32nd)
2025 2nd Round Pick (54th)

To CGY:
2025 1st Round Pick (2nd Overall)

That gives SJ: #2 defenceman long-term, 2nd pairing defenceman long-term, top-six forward long-term, top-nine forward long-term, and significant draft capital. The idea being the Flames have to overwhelm the Sharks with quantity to make them even entertain it.

There’s not a lot of comparable trades in modern NHL history when it comes to teams trading away top-5 picks.

To PHI: 4th Overall (Pitkanen)
To TBL: Fedotenko + two 2nd round picks

Weak draft year, apparently this was known at the time. Also, Jay Feaster.

To NYI: Yashin (contract dispute)
To OTT: 2nd Overall (Spezza), Muckalt, Chara

…wtf NYI.

To NYI: 5th overall (Torres), 4th round pick, 7th round pick
To TBL: Weekes, Kudroc, 2nd round pick

Kinda shows the further you go back, the more you run into the fact that scouting/drafting in the NHL was not a solid practice…and also, Jay Feaster.

There’s also the Burke/Sedin trade…but again, you’re going back some time.

Quantity for quality rarely happens. It’d make a lot more sense to see SJ directly just go deal with someone like Dallas and work a trade around Jason Robertson where SJ gets the quality they’d be looking for but with the Fast-Forward button pressed so they can expedite their competitiveness.

Trades before the cap aren't very relevant. Even a few years after the cap isn't great. There's a reason hardly anyone makes these trades anymore.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Wasn't it 98% last week that Ras would be traded and now its 75%?

Things change, situation is fluid.
It was Andersson's camp who asked to meet again, so take that for what it is.
Things are hush, so no exact details are going to be shared.

Apologies, just sharing what I’m told.

[Niemo]

Thanks Royle. Do you know if they called the meeting yo more talk about where he wants to be traded to (thus extension and bigger return) or to hammer out a deal?

Also, what do you mean explore UFA for Rasmus?

This sounds scary bad for the Flames.

[FBI]

Just say no to signing Andersson for 8 mil

[PepsiFree]

I’d be happy if Andersson stayed. I think he’d be refreshed a little bit knowing he’s part of the core instead of just the next guy on the block.

But I also think there could be some strategy here. Keeping re-signing on the table could potentially boost offers a little bit if teams aren’t just having to outmatch other trade partners but the Flames as well. Could also help Andersson’s contract offers in any potential trades if those teams are competing with an 8 year deal.

[Niemo]

Keep resigning "post apex" players to big long term deals and we will keep being mid. 50% of the board seems to love that because of the "culture". I think it's silly and insane to keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

[PepsiFree]

8M isn’t a very big deal. It’s also a way to retain an asset that can provide a return later. I know the “trade everyone!!!” group hates the idea that asset management involves more than that, but it does.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Keep resigning "post apex" players to big long term deals and we will keep being mid. 50% of the board seems to love that because of the "culture". I think it's silly and insane to keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

100% correct because we’ve signed way too many post apex contracts and haven’t gotten rid of anyone in the past 2 years

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

8M isn’t a very big deal. It’s also a way to retain an asset that can provide a return later. I know the “trade everyone!!!” group hates the idea that asset management involves more than that, but it does.

8MM is a big deal..... this asset is worth more in an expiring 4.55MM deal at 29 yrs old (where acquiring team can resign) than he is a couple years down the road at 32 yrs old with 6 more years at 8MM.

Craig lucked out that no one took their deals that were on the table. Is argue that only Hanifin would've been a good value contract.

Craig needs to put his foot down and not take the easy route by just going the route the player chooses. I'm not saying this is completely the way he is managing but it's a perception.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

100% correct because we’ve signed way too many post apex contracts and haven’t gotten rid of anyone in the past 2 years

We got lucky that no one took the deals that were on the table. Imagine Lindholm still here at the rumored 9x8 for example. Markstrom would still be here and we wouldn't know what Wolf can be.

[TheScorpion]

The thing about paying Rasmus 8M is it's impossible to guarantee surplus value on a commitment like that for years to come. It's also typically easier for teams to convince themselves to sign a player to a contract on their own terms than it is to hand them a pre-existing deal they had nothing to do with — unless that deal is an obvious bargain, like Weegar's. Not necessarily saying any deal the Flames might give Rasmus is a bad idea, but I'd lean toward trading him now instead of banking on trading him a few years into an extension.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

8M isn’t a very big deal. It’s also a way to retain an asset that can provide a return later. I know the “trade everyone!!!” group hates the idea that asset management involves more than that, but it does.

Lmfao.

If this is true and we actually keep Anderrson it just confirms what I have been saying. Ownership and management will never change.

Another 20 years of 2 playoff wins.

[traptor]

Re-signing Ras is a bad move.




Would make me seriously question what were trying to accomplish here.



But as others have indicated. We were never rebuilding. They're focused on asset management. guys like Lindhol. And Hanifin aren't here because they wouldn't sign those deals with the flames, not because the flames didn't offer them those deals.




Everyone's right that this is different from the last build, because the last build we actually tried to somewhat rebuild with Bennett, Monahan and Gaudreau.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Niemo

We got lucky that no one took the deals that were on the table. Imagine Lindholm still here at the rumored 9x8 for example. Markstrom would still be here and we wouldn't know what Wolf can be.

It’s almost like there’s some strategy to it.


Nah, just luck that saves Conroy from himself. And if that’s your perception, you should probably start calling for Conroy to be fired instead of nitpicking at individual deals.

[Niemo]

Just think of Kadri's deal as an example. When he does good, although there is hesitation - it takes a storm of the perfect situation for him to have surplus value. Situation being him playing above his pay and with buyers needing exactly what he brings. As soon as he has a mediocre year, I guarantee that his value goes back to negative. I won't even mention his trade protection.

If Rasmus signs for 8 years, he is looking for trade protection. Thats another road block.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Keep resigning "post apex" players to big long term deals and we will keep being mid. 50% of the board seems to love that because of the "culture". I think it's silly and insane to keep trying the same thing over and over again and expect a different result.

The debate on whether to tear it down to the ground or not is over. They’ve chosen a path of getting rid of free agents who didn’t want to stay unless they were seriously overpaid, targeting young assets, drafting well and rebuilding around the core that’s here, (which absolutely reinforces a work ethic culture).

Many of us who are now okay with this may have preferred a complete rebuild, but this team is worth supporting… and more importantly enjoying; I like the never quit attitude; I like how they play for each other; and I’m excited about some of the young talent being put together in front of a high end goalie.

Getting annoyed with the direction they’re taking or the small possibility that they might resign Ras is just hurting you.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s almost like there’s some strategy to it.


Nah, just luck that saves Conroy from himself. And if that’s your perception, you should probably start calling for Conroy to be fired instead of nitpicking at individual deals.

Saying 8MM isn't a big deal is quite.....insane.

Also, not acknowledging that Lindholm and others saved Conroy from a disaster is also not accepting reality.

Insinuating that Hanifin didn't dick us around (purposely or not) and plummet his trade value near the deadline is quite a 'rosy' POV.

I hope Conroy has learned from all this hindsight and deals with Rasmus in the Flames best interest.

The question and goal right now should be "what do we need to do to set the Flames up for regular contention in 5 yrs". This could mean playoffs in 3 and being a break out team in 4.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Saying 8MM isn't a big deal is quite.....insane.

Also, not acknowledging that Lindholm and others saved Conroy from a disaster is also not accepting reality.

Insinuating that Hanifin didn't dick us around (purposely or not) and plummet his trade value near the deadline is quite a 'rosy' POV.

I hope Conroy has learned from all this hindsight and deals with Rasmus in the Flames best interest.

The question and goal right now should be "what do we need to do to set the Flames up for regular contention in 5 yrs". This could mean playoffs in 3 and being a break out team in 4.

Must be a scary world when everything seems “insane.”

Your perspective is interesting, but don’t confuse it with reality. I think it lacks a lot of imagination to just believe that Conroy has lucked himself to where he is, saved only by players’ refusal to sign contracts that were allegedly much higher than the ones they ended up signing.

And hey, again, if you truly believe everyone is insane and not accepting reality and we’re only here because a dumb GM made dumb offers to dumb players that didn’t take the best they could get, well then golly, perhaps we should fire the GM, right?

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

The debate on whether to tear it down to the ground or not is over. They’ve chosen a path of getting rid of free agents who didn’t want to stay unless they were seriously overpaid, targeting young assets, drafting well and rebuilding around the core that’s here, (which absolutely reinforces a work ethic culture).

Many of us who are now okay with this may have preferred a complete rebuild, but this team is worth supporting… and more importantly enjoying; I like the never quit attitude; I like how they play for each other; and I’m excited about some of the young talent being put together in front of a high end goalie.

Getting annoyed with the direction they’re taking or the small possibility that they might resign Ras is just hurting you.

I can't lie as it does hurt me thinking of how much better off we would be. I am fine with keeping Weegar, Kadri, Huberdeau through the term of their deals. Even resigning Backlund. But when I see an "arbitrage" where trade value would be worth more than on ice production, it isn't easy to look past for me I'll admit.