2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

My dream scenario that will not happen

Laf and K Miller

for

T Thompson

Frost and Zary

for

Byram

Ras 50% RS

for

12

Flames trade Zary, Frost and Ras 50% RS for Byram and 12OV

Buffalo gets Laf, Miller, Frost and Zary for T Thompson and Byram

Rangers get T Thompson and Ras 50% RS for Miller, Laf and 12 OV

Buffalo gets Laf who is signed long term, Miller as a cheaper replacement for Byram and Frost and Zary. They can flip other guys who want out later

Flames get a top 4 d and a better pick to trade up if needed

Rangers re-sign Ras and get Thompson who is in his prime and on a steal of a contract. They can use the cap space to add more.

[Vinny01]

I keep thinking how close the Flames got to winning the lottery and almost landing the 6th pick. I wonder if 6+Rasmus or 6+Rasmus+18 would have been enough to get the Sharks to trade #2 and the Flames could have added Misa

[Toonage]

Maybe the Preds want to deal #5? They aren't rebuilding. Already have 3 picks in the first round.

They could walk out of there with Ras and 4 picks that they could use however they please. Plenty of cap space too it looks like.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think all our efforts should be focused on getting #4 if that is the pick available.

Trading for bit pieces or #12 doesn’t do #### for us.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think all our efforts should be focused on getting #4 if that is the pick available.

Trading for bit pieces or #12 doesn’t do #### for us.

Disagree. Draft combine interviews are suggesting that Frondel Eklund and Desnoyers are going high as they had good combines and interviews. Also says Boston is high on Martin.

McQueen did well with his back, but they are saying that him and O'Brien could slip out of the top 10. I would love to get 1 at 12

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Does that get Utah on the phone for number 4?

I don’t see it. If there’s a team that, literally, is overflowing with prospects, it’s Utah. Not too sure what 18 and 31 would hold much value to them. They would probably keep 4 and move a prospect they feel tgey could move off of.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think all our efforts should be focused on getting #4 if that is the pick available.

Trading for bit pieces or #12 doesn’t do #### for us.

I think the reality is pieces like pick #4 don't move. And if they do move then it's likely not for a grab bag of stuff - it's going to likely be a young piece that Utah feels can step right in and be an impact player for them.

If Flames could get #4 for Andersson + 18 + 32 my feeling is that likely is done already.

Plus you might be able to more easily trade up to #4 with pick in the 8-12 range than you could with 18 + 32 anyways.

And if you can't trade into the top 4, if the Flames like a guy in the top 12 that they don't think is going to be available at 18 then there isn't much downside of moving 18 and 32 to get into the top 12.

There are 10 centers that probably profile in the top 16 of this draft (Misa, Hagens, Frondell, Desnoyers, O'Brien, McQueen, Martin, Bear, Cootes, Reschny as the Centers, Schaefer, Martone, Eklund, Smith, Mrtka round out the top 16 as non-centers). Being aggressive and trying to trade into the top 10 or 12 to be able to guarantee yourself one of those guys would be a smart decision for the Flames with what they need in the prospect pool, instead of just hoping that one of them just happen to still be there at 18.

If you can move up to 9 or 12 for the chance that O'Brien, Reschny, or Martin might be there, instead of not having that option at 18 then I don't see how that "doesn't do #### for us"

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I think all our efforts should be focused on getting #4 if that is the pick available.

Trading for bit pieces or #12 doesn’t do #### for us.

I also disagree.

If there’s a player at 12 the Flames like, you have to consider it.

I don’t think the Flames have the pieces, or at least the pieces Utah would want, for 4.

[Vinny01]

Can Andersson get the 13th pick straight up?

Flames would have 13, 18, 32. They could move up possibly further?

Brady Martin is a solid target.

[Tbull8]

It’s most likely though that if he is moved for a 1st, that team will wait until they’re on the clock

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I also disagree.

If there’s a player at 12 the Flames like, you have to consider it.

I don’t think the Flames have the pieces, or at least the pieces Utah would want, for 4.

I agree. I think there is a good chance you get McQueen or O'Brien at 12.

Some scouts say if McQueen didn't get hurt, he would be right at the top of the draft. O'Brien is young, late bday. 6 foot 2 with tons of skill. I think either of these 2 can be #1 centers but the cost to acquire them will be much less.

Conroy will do his homework too. GMs know more than we do on who might go where to who. Carter Bear is said to potentially go higher than expected. Martin is getting looks, a lot has to do with Bennett's success in the playoffs.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree. I think there is a good chance you get McQueen or O'Brien at 12.

Some scouts say if McQueen didn't get hurt, he would be right at the top of the draft. O'Brien is young, late bday. 6 foot 2 with tons of skill. I think either of these 2 can be #1 centers but the cost to acquire them will be much less.

Conroy will do his homework too. GMs know more than we do on who might go where to who. Carter Bear is said to potentially go higher than expected. Martin is getting looks, a lot has to do with Bennett's success in the playoffs.

There were rumours the Sabres liked Pospisil in the season...

I'd be offering 18 + Pospisil for 9 and hoping like hell that O'Brien is there.

6'2", late birthday, production took off in the second half of the season.

That's the guy that's going to pop next year and have people wondering how he wasn't a top 5 pick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

McQueen is listed as a C/W. he’s not just slipping because of injuries he’s got some serious questions. #4 gets you in the game for the highly rated centers. We can trade into the top 12 but we won’t have the assets left to trade into the top 5. Top 5 picks are hardly ever available.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Can Andersson get the 13th pick straight up?

Flames would have 13, 18, 32. They could move up possibly further?

Brady Martin is a solid target.

I think the Rangers are the Target as 12.

A - they are the Rangers so they can make a splash at free agency

B - they don't have the 1st in 2026

C - They can re-sign a guy like Ras but would value him 1 year at 50% off. Miller and Laf are rumored to be available. I can see Ras in to replace Miller at a much lower cap hit next year and then I could see them making a run at a star with Laf's cap and the cap savings they get adding Ras. Pettersen? T Thompson? Marner? Bennett?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There were rumours the Sabres liked Pospisil in the season...

I'd be offering 18 + Pospisil for 9 and hoping like hell that O'Brien is there.

6'2", late birthday, production took off in the second half of the season.

That's the guy that's going to pop next year and have people wondering how he wasn't a top 5 pick.

I love this idea but 18+ Pospisil doesn't get you 9 imo

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

McQueen is listed as a C/W. he’s not just slipping because of injuries he’s got some serious questions. #4 gets you in the game for the highly rated centers. We can trade into the top 12 but we won’t have the assets left to trade into the top 5. Top 5 picks are hardly ever available.

Utah might trade it, but they aren't giving it away. They also might want a trade down scenario.

I also think McQueen and O'Brien could end up being as good as Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers. Why pay a ton more to get 4. Probably would take 12, 18 and 31/32. If 2 was available maybe.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

There were rumours the Sabres liked Pospisil in the season...

I'd be offering 18 + Pospisil for 9 and hoping like hell that O'Brien is there.

6'2", late birthday, production took off in the second half of the season.

That's the guy that's going to pop next year and have people wondering how he wasn't a top 5 pick.

I'm a huge fan of O'Brien and that is a good idea as well. He is the guy I want and think we could realistically get.

[Vinny01]

I think Pospisil will be an interesting add to an Andersson package. Both players bring a swagger and play a bit on the edge and come in under $6M combined. I think that package gets the flames a nice return.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

McQueen is listed as a C/W. he’s not just slipping because of injuries he’s got some serious questions. #4 gets you in the game for the highly rated centers. We can trade into the top 12 but we won’t have the assets left to trade into the top 5. Top 5 picks are hardly ever available.

What's more attractive for pick 4 if you're Utah:

Andersson + 18 + 32

or

Andersson + 11

Personally I think it's Andersson + 11. Trading into the top 12 doesn't prevent you from then moving into the top 4 afterwards.

And realistically neither of those packages get you into the top 4.

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I'm a huge fan of O'Brien and that is a good idea as well. He is the guy I want and think we could realistically get.

If you age adjust their seasons then O'Brien actually outperforms Misa at the same age in terms of points...I think he could easily be in that group as an equal to Misa or Desnoyers etc

https://scoutthe.xyz/league/ohl/ravg...um&stat=points

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I love this idea but 18+ Pospisil doesn't get you 9 imo

What about Andersson for 12 or 13?

Then 12 or 13 + Pospisil to get 9?