2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Kings have interest in Andersson and Pospisil but I haven’t heard Brandt being available at this point. Building a deal around that would be fun tho!

Ken holland is the Gm now. It’s Clarke plus a 1st.

[Ba'alzamon]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I doubt they want picks. If I were BUF I would probably ask for a package around Coronato.
Something like Coronato + Andersson for Byram + Tuch.

Including Coronato and Tuch feels like a needless complication. Especially since Tuch is one of only like six dudes who actually wants to play in Buffalo and has had a couple 30 goal seasons for them. And the fact the Flames just gave Coronato a long term extension.

[Tkachukwagon]

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[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by flambers

Why would Vegas, regress?

Forward core and defense core are all under contract,

Where is the regress coming from?

Pretty much getting manhandled by the Oilers in the playoffs. That would crush many teams.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by flambers

Why would Vegas, regress?

Forward core and defense core are all under contract,

Where is the regress coming from?

It comes from wishful thinking because we have their 1st next year.

If we didn't have their 1st, no Flames fan would waste their breath debating whether Vegas is going to be good or not, because who cares.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Cale Makar can actually play defense however.



This is a really poor list. Number retired? Hockey Hall of Fame? Yeah, Makar will probably get those when he retires too. Leech won the Conn Smyth 25, Makar at 22. Leech has two Norris Trophies? Come back in a few weeks when Makar his second. The way you decide to love or hate a player than go all in without logic is commendable but it's lacking logic. You can't descredit Makar suggesting his numbers are only reflective of the high offensive team he plays for than bring up Brian Leecth in another conversation not mentioning that he had Mark Messier, Adam Graves, Tony Amonte and Mike Gartner.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You mean Brian Leetch who played 18 seasons.

- two time Norris trophy winner
- first US born player to win Conne Smythe in 1994
- one of only 6 NHL D men to score over 100 points in a season
- win the Calder in 89 and has the rookie record for most goals by a rookie NHL D man.
- Hockey Hall Of Fame 2009
- 2017 named by NHL as one of top 100 players in NHL history
- IIHF hall of fame 2023
- number retired in 2008.


Ok, your turn. List all of Makar's accomplishments that make him better than Leetch. I will wait.

Update - Two time Norris Trophy winner Cale Makar.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol pay attention to what is being talked about if you’re going to respond. The position was that drafting Price early stopped Montreal from drafting their elite center, when in fact drafting Price early had literally nothing to do with it, as noted by the fact that they were able to draft a center in the top three (which in any other draft would have been much better).



OK, but you suggested that drafting a good to elite goalie early makes it harder for you to become a contender, which on even basic human analysis (doing the work and citing the Price/Montreal example) seems to have very little to do with it.

If you want to move the goalposts and pretend that’s never what the stats were showing, fine, because I don’t think the ChatGPT stats show anything at all.

Some of you guys are so obsessed with maintaining this narrative that you’re debating points that were never made.

Just to drive this point home, go look at Montreal’s roster in the year they drafted their top 3 center and think again about “we need to move more vets.” They’re just one from that list that doesn’t support any part of this argument.

Having a hard time understanding where I moved the goalposts or what your point is with Montreal? You are saying Montreal didnt have a hard time to become a contender ? They never became one... The Flames are a bubble team. The Flames as constructed are not in a position to be drafting top 10. The 6 teams I listed were mid teams sometimes making the playoffs here and then, maybe even having a finals appearance one time, but they could never get over the hump. Montreal sucked enough one season to draft top 3 and that pick busted and they still never became a contender. What's the point you are making? That the Flames could suck enough with Wolf to draft top 3 ? Thats the point. We should trade enough vets to draft more top picks as trying to build on an elite goalie doesn't work. Sustaining the mushy middle and hoping you roll Yahtzee on mid round picks doesn't work statistically..

[Hockey_Ninja]

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[CFO]

I think lafrienne from nyr could be the new Sam Bennett. Needing a new start.

[Royle9]

Laf is another LW though, we’ve got enough of those to make 5-6 lines at this point.
Could make room but I haven’t heard anything on CGY involvement.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Having a hard time understanding where I moved the goalposts or what your point is with Montreal? You are saying Montreal didnt have a hard time to become a contender ? They never became one... The Flames are a bubble team. The Flames as constructed are not in a position to be drafting top 10. The 6 teams I listed were mid teams sometimes making the playoffs here and then, maybe even having a finals appearance one time, but they could never get over the hump. Montreal sucked enough one season to draft top 3 and that pick busted and they still never became a contender. What's the point you are making? That the Flames could suck enough with Wolf to draft top 3 ? Thats the point. We should trade enough vets to draft more top picks as trying to build on an elite goalie doesn't work. Sustaining the mushy middle and hoping you roll Yahtzee on mid round picks doesn't work statistically..

Montreal didn’t struggle because they drafted Price too soon in the rebuild, is the point.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Laf is another LW though, we’ve got enough of those to make 5-6 lines at this point.
Could make room but I haven’t heard anything on CGY involvement.

Can always trade players, especially if flames believe he would be the #1 LW in 2-3 years.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by CFO

Can always trade players, especially if flames believe he would be the #1 LW in 2-3 years.

I feel like the only place any of our assets should be going is towards a center.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Laf is another LW though, we’ve got enough of those to make 5-6 lines at this point.
Could make room but I haven’t heard anything on CGY involvement.

You just reminded me that the Flames haven't had a franchise caliber center since they traded him for Iginla. I was 1 years old when that trade happened. Almost my entire life since they've had someone that good down the middle. That's honestly depressing

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I don't think he was ever looked at as heading into bust territory. He went 3rd because Buffalo (dumb team) messed up and thought too little of Draisaitl's skating, and Florida got their #1 top end defenceman (Ekblad) because they already had Barkov in the previous years draft.

Drafted in 14, and in 37 games in 14/15, Draisaitl put up 9 points.

In 15/16, put up 51 in 72
In 16/17, put up 77 in 82.

Draisaitl was never in bust territory.

Buffalo screwed up, because that's what stupid teams do...they also made it even worse when they dealt Reinhart who they took at #2 for pennies.

Why are you pretending like Draisaitl was some consensus number 2 pick? Why make something like that up? Of the top 4 prospects that year Draisaitl was often ranked 4th best of those players. Reinhart and Bennett were also drafted as centers if you forgot that information as well.

Saying Buffalo was stupid for picking Reinhart is silly but you are using revisionist history with the benefit of hindsight to try and make your argument

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If I recall it was a total nothing burger. Fan blogger stuff with no basis in reality. In fact I believe Blake at the time laugh out loud hard at the idea.

Wasn’t it Weekes that threw it out there?

[Ped]

There are quite often guys who get taken quite higher. Sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn't. When it works out, you look brilliant. Otherwise, not so much.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Montreal didn’t struggle because they drafted Price too soon in the rebuild, is the point.

Thanks..what part of their circumstance disproves that he kept them stuck in the middle? They had injuries to Markov and Gionta that year and a lack of scoring from a veteran heavy team. They were bottom 10 in scoring like our Flames. They went right back to the middle the year after. If he wasn’t there they would have drafted higher. He kept Montreal somewhat relevant and stuck in the middle. If the Flames sustain an Injury to Weeger and Coronato or somebody ages out they might end up drafting high one year to. That doesn’t mean it’s a plan. They really need to move a few more vets if they are keeping Wolf to facilitate things. Statistically as I mentioned keeping your vets, drafting middle round picks and trying to inch the team forward with middle six acquisitions doesn’t work and the examples were pretty on point that it never works. It only works if you get the elite C and D first or you are willing to move enough vets to tank with Wolf. Hoping for an injury or a one off season to get a high pick is a concept of a plan.

[Royle9]

I did mention Flames being in on Rossi a while back.
Continues to be of discussion, but again it comes down to cost.

[traptor]

Ive said it before but a deal around Pettersson for Rossi makes alot of sense to me for both sides.