2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just banging your head against the same wall.
The team is not tanking
Kadri has a no trade clause and isn’t interested in waiving it
Pushing him to do so would be disrespectful when he’s been clear he doesn’t want to leave
These are facts you seem intent on ignoring.

Just commenting on the bolded only:


I don't think we know exactly what the plan is. What we are pretty sure about is that this team doesn't believe in burning it right down to the ground, nor will they be spending a lot of draft capital and being big players on the UFA market in an effort to compete now. I do think the big question is how far towards tanking or how far towards competing that pendulum swings.



We will get a better sense when we see the off-season moves that Conroy will make. My early bet is for a bottom 5 pick, but that will obviously change based on those upcoming moves.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

They certainly do not look better than Dallas who acquired the superstar player and locked him up for 8 years. Dallas had the most difficult path to the conference finals and the Hurricanes had by far the easiest.

Good on Carolina for taking the swing and then having the time to manage the risk and not come away empty handed.

I come back to the massive regret the Canes must be feeling for not putting the necessary chips in to get the Tkachuk trade across the line. He was ready to sign 8 years there and ended up being the runner up to Florida. They have been Star chasing since.

This is an interesting "what if".
It seems like the Canes deal was more futures based, centered around Necas. A lot of us agree that the Flames, long-term, would have been better off with that deal perhaps. However, let's come at it from the POV that the Flames were not looking for a future deal.

What does a Canes deal look like that is similar to what they got from Florida.

Let's assume there is a 1st and fringe prospect

Who are the equivelents to Weegar and Huberdeau.
Perhaps Pesce as the D.
Who is the F?

Let's say it's still Necas.
Necas+Pesce+1st+fringe prospect

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Just commenting on the bolded only:


I don't think we know exactly what the plan is. What we are pretty sure about is that this team doesn't believe in burning it right down to the ground, nor will they be spending a lot of draft capital and being big players on the UFA market in an effort to compete now. I do think the big question is how far towards tanking or how far towards competing that pendulum swings.



We will get a better sense when we see the off-season moves that Conroy will make. My early bet is for a bottom 5 pick, but that will obviously change based on those upcoming moves.

I think the team could be worse for sure.
Because there is a lot of year to year randomness and having just a couple things go wrong could really send them spinning.

But that's very different from trading good players specifically to improve their pick. That doesn't seem to be the mindset at all.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is an interesting "what if".
It seems like the Canes deal was more futures based, centered around Necas. A lot of us agree that the Flames, long-term, would have been better off with that deal perhaps. However, let's come at it from the POV that the Flames were not looking for a future deal.

What does a Canes deal look like that is similar to what they got from Florida.

Let's assume there is a 1st and fringe prospect

Who are the equivelents to Weegar and Huberdeau.
Perhaps Pesce as the D.
Who is the F?

Let's say it's still Necas.
Necas+Pesce+1st+fringe prospect

I think the Flames likely were asking for Jarvis as a piece probably along with Necas and Pesce (I agree he was the D target they had in mind).

I think the deal you have there is likely where the Canes got but it was rumored the Flames coveted Jarvis back in the 2020 draft. Jarvis and Necas were both 40pt players in the 21/22 season where obviously Huberdeau was a 115pt player

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yeah didn't think about Jarvis but you are right.
And I agree, if Tkachuk was willing to go and sign long-term there, it really was a missed opportunity to finally land that star
Perhaps back then they didn't realize how hard it was going to be.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

This is an interesting "what if".
It seems like the Canes deal was more futures based, centered around Necas. A lot of us agree that the Flames, long-term, would have been better off with that deal perhaps. However, let's come at it from the POV that the Flames were not looking for a future deal.

What does a Canes deal look like that is similar to what they got from Florida.

Let's assume there is a 1st and fringe prospect

Who are the equivelents to Weegar and Huberdeau.
Perhaps Pesce as the D.
Who is the F?

Let's say it's still Necas.
Necas+Pesce+1st+fringe prospect

If it was Necas it’d have to be a better D than Pesce.

You’re probably looking at Aho/Slavin and then one of Necas, Domi, Skjei or Pesce, and maybe no prospect or a 2nd instead of a first.

We forget because of the drop off, but Huberdeau was coming off four great seasons and was one of their very best players.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think the team could be worse for sure.
Because there is a lot of year to year randomness and having just a couple things go wrong could really send them spinning.

But that's very different from trading good players specifically to improve their pick. That doesn't seem to be the mindset at all.

Yes, while I do agree that swings can happen season-over-season naturally, I am actually specifically speaking to intent.


Trade Anderson for futures, Vladar walks without being replaced with an experienced goalie, and a few moves like Hanely (who played adequately as a #4) being replaced by younger but inexperienced players.


I think I would say that the goal is to improve the draft position.


If the Flames trade Rasmus for futures, but sign (or trade for) and experienced top 4 defencemen, and grab a guy like Allen or another experienced backup, then I would say improving the pick is NOT the plan.


My point is that we don't know the plan. The only thing we are sure about is the extremes are not options - no 'scorched earth' rebuild designed to maximize the pick for next year, or going the other way and using futures for 'win now' players in an effort to push this team to the playoffs at all costs. Neither of these extremes is likely, but I do believe purposefully improving the pick into a top 5 pick is very possible at this point.



The Flames played on those margins all year long. I also didn't see Wolf stealing games night in and night out - he did very well, but the Flames didn't finish where they did by Wolf stealing every game. The team played extremely hard all-season long, but they played on the very margins. Subtract a couple of pieces, and things can significantly altar - that's the point I am trying to make. My money is that Conroy will purposefully make a few moves to improve the draft position, while NOT outwardly 'tanking' (which is usually referenced as a 'scorched earth' rebuild).



This is my point - too many people are adamantly stating that the Flames will or won't do something, but we don't really know. We WILL have a better ideal a few days after July 1st when the majority of the moves will be concluded.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think Carolina needed to step up their package as Beans comments made it seem like they accepted whatever it was that they offered. They eeighed a futures deal vs now.

Of course the Flames went with now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah didn't think about Jarvis but you are right.
And I agree, if Tkachuk was willing to go and sign long-term there, it really was a missed opportunity to finally land that star
Perhaps back then they didn't realize how hard it was going to be.

What was the mindset for last season? You yourself said they made moves and left cap open anticipating a bottom 5 finish. A fluke season shouldn’t change that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don’t think Carolina needed to step up their package as Beans comments made it seem like they accepted whatever it was that they offered. They eeighed a futures deal vs now.

Of course the Flames went with now.

Given the Flames weren't looking for a futures deal we are exploring what an alternative deal would have looked like that would have motivated Calgary to take it over the speculated offer.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What was the mindset for last season? You yourself said they made moves and left cap open anticipating a bottom 5 finish. A fluke season shouldn’t change that.

They made some moves, that I believe they thought would lead to a low finish
But they also outlined that they think having some quality players and vets is important.
That is very different from trading those players, who are under contract, to specifically improve one's draft position.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

If that is actually true, then management and ownership continue to be moronic. We aren't near being a contender. Why on earth would we not trade an aging asset for a boat load.

More short sighted thinking by the Flames. It's exactly why we have 2 playoff series wins in the last 20 years. Nothing changes.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah the only justification is "Kadri already told us he wouldn't waive under any circumstances"

Because if not then not accepting the 20 year old 6'2" RH shot center +++ in return for the 34 turning 35 year old center should be a fireable offense for where this team is in their build.

Royle9 mentioned the return was more than what the Islanders got for Nelson and that was:

Calum Ritchie
Oliver Kylington
conditional round 1 pick in the 2026 draft
conditional round 3 pick in the 2027 draft

I'd have jumped at Ritchie and the 2026 1st - anything else would been crazy and a gross overpayment.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

They made some moves, that I believe they thought would lead to a low finish
But they also outlined that they think having some quality players and vets is important.
That is very different from trading those players, who are under contract, to specifically improve one's draft position.

I think something that gets lost in a lot of this talk is what you mention here, and the Flames spent the entire season at the salary cap floor. Additional moves would have required bringing salary back as well. It’s not like the flames could have jettisoned the remaining vets for picks and prospects, for example. They were the second lowest salary cap team, and Columbus got an exception to be under the floor due to the Gaudreau situation

[Calgary4LIfe]

The ultimate 'what if" in this scenario for me is "What if the Flames stuck with acceptance of a rebuild after Florida offered the superior package?"


It wasn't ever going to happen - Treliving was lauded after that trade (and the Kadri signing) and was even interviewed on CBC for turning Calgary around so quickly. However, it is the what if game, right?


Huberdeau 1 season left @5.9 and just finishing a 115pt season. imagine him on the open market at 2.9 million?


Weegar would have returned at least 1 first.



Calgary would have kept their 1st this year too - no need to unload Monahan. Probably would have received another 1st at the following deadline instead when Monahan healed and improved again.


I would think that the plan wouldn't have been to sell-off everyone, but we did see Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev and Zadorov all prefer to move on (or sign high-priced crazy deals). I think Conroy did well with the returns, but Lindholm finishing that season with 40 goals and getting some Selke nods, along with his cheap salary - and term - he would have garnered a larger return then. Ditto for Hanifin. On top of this, Backlund would have been gone as well - he asked for a trade when Tkachuk demanded out, but rescinded it when the return was known. So I imagine he would have ended up leaving.


That would have been a huge kickstart to a rebuild. Can you imagine? Don't get me wrong, I am in no way throwing shade Treliving's way here. I just find that to be the most spectacular 'what if' scenario, as Florida's package was vastly superior to any other package offered.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Yes, while I do agree that swings can happen season-over-season naturally, I am actually specifically speaking to intent.


Trade Anderson for futures, Vladar walks without being replaced with an experienced goalie, and a few moves like Hanely (who played adequately as a #4) being replaced by younger but inexperienced players.


I think I would say that the goal is to improve the draft position.


If the Flames trade Rasmus for futures, but sign (or trade for) and experienced top 4 defencemen, and grab a guy like Allen or another experienced backup, then I would say improving the pick is NOT the plan.


My point is that we don't know the plan. The only thing we are sure about is the extremes are not options - no 'scorched earth' rebuild designed to maximize the pick for next year, or going the other way and using futures for 'win now' players in an effort to push this team to the playoffs at all costs. Neither of these extremes is likely, but I do believe purposefully improving the pick into a top 5 pick is very possible at this point.



The Flames played on those margins all year long. I also didn't see Wolf stealing games night in and night out - he did very well, but the Flames didn't finish where they did by Wolf stealing every game. The team played extremely hard all-season long, but they played on the very margins. Subtract a couple of pieces, and things can significantly altar - that's the point I am trying to make. My money is that Conroy will purposefully make a few moves to improve the draft position, while NOT outwardly 'tanking' (which is usually referenced as a 'scorched earth' rebuild).



This is my point - too many people are adamantly stating that the Flames will or won't do something, but we don't really know. We WILL have a better ideal a few days after July 1st when the majority of the moves will be concluded.

Totally agree. And if they did purposefully not spend to the cap/add players at the deadline for rebuild reasons, then I have a hard time seeing why they wouldn't do it next season with an excellent draft and potential generational talent with McKenna.

[Vinny01]

Not only the fact Treliving put the team in position to lose their 2 top 10 scoring superstars in the same offseason but he and the rest of the braintrust completely overestimated their supporting cast to think if they brought in Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar they wouldn’t miss a beat.

Agreed with the above the true best result would have been the dismantling of the team and acceptance of the rebuild where the Flames would be e tearing their third straight draft likely in the top 10 and likely be in a better spot to truly compete when the new rink opens vs where they are now.

What’s done is done and Conroy was able to take Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom, annd Mangiapane and turn them into a collection of picks, prospects and younger NHLers. He is likely doing the same with Andersson this summer. He gave up a 2nd to bring in Frost and Farabee who are mid 20’s guys. The team picked 2x in the first round last year and have 2 1st this year and next.

I am super interested and excited to see how much or how little the flames do. I believe Royle when he states the Flames have 1-2 UFA’s they are looking at but more RFA’s and I assume trade targets they are after. I think it could be anywhere from a very quiet summer with Andersson being the big move to a summer where the Flames trade Andersson but also make a couple of acquisitions to bolster the lineup

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Not only the fact Treliving put the team in position to lose their 2 top 10 scoring superstars in the same offseason but he and the rest of the braintrust completely overestimated their supporting cast to think if they brought in Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar they wouldn’t miss a beat.

Agreed with the above the true best result would have been the dismantling of the team and acceptance of the rebuild where the Flames would be e tearing their third straight draft likely in the top 10 and likely be in a better spot to truly compete when the new rink opens vs where they are now.

What’s done is done and Conroy was able to take Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom, annd Mangiapane and turn them into a collection of picks, prospects and younger NHLers. He is likely doing the same with Andersson this summer. He gave up a 2nd to bring in Frost and Farabee who are mid 20’s guys. The team picked 2x in the first round last year and have 2 1st this year and next.

I am super interested and excited to see how much or how little the flames do. I believe Royle when he states the Flames have 1-2 UFA’s they are looking at but more RFA’s and I assume trade targets they are after. I think it could be anywhere from a very quiet summer with Andersson being the big move to a summer where the Flames trade Andersson but also make a couple of acquisitions to bolster the lineup

You didn't think Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar could effectively replace Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk? At least 80%?

[Sylvanfan]

I think it's reasonable to think Florida knew Huberdeau's numbers were a bit inflated and that he really was not that player. They knew he would not be worth his next contract. I also think they did not expect Weegar to be as good as he's been. They likely thought he was an overrated commodity too. But of all the higher end roster pieces they had...he likely was the most expendable.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

You didn't think Huberdeau, Kadri and Weegar could effectively replace Gaudreau, Monahan and Tkachuk? At least 80%?

Yeah, I thought it really shortened their window but that they’d have until the end of the Lindholm and Hanifin contracts to compete.