2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Why waste time working on trading Kadri if the options are severely limited or nil? Conny has no shortage of other players ro move first anyways. Andersson, Coleman, maybe weegar... maybe kadri would want to move then.

I don't think anyone is suggesting trading Kadri for the sake of trading him. You wouldn't be giving him up for FC. Half a year of Brock Nelson just got a 1st, a top prospect in Callum Ritchie, a conditional 3rd, and Kylington as a throw in. If the Flames could get a similar return, then they should.

Age will catch up to Kadri, and it's up to the Flames to figure out how quickly. At some point in the next couple of years, his play will drop off a ledge. Former Flame TJ Brodie looked like a top pairing D until 2022-23, then his play dropped off, and then he suddenly became a 5/6 D the next year. Now another year had passed and Brodie doesn't look like an NHLer and will be bought out by CHI this summer.

Finally, an argument could be made for trading one of Kadri and Backlund ASAP, if both Zary and Frost are in the long term plans of the organization. Both Zary and Frost need reps at centre, so they can establish themselves as a #2/3C for the foreseeable future.

On that note, the Flames should stop developing centres(Bennett, Lindholm, Dube, Ruzicka, and now Zary, Pospisil, and Kerins) as wingers at the NHL level, and then complain about not having any C depth in the organization. At some point we should accept the growing pains of developing a center for a couple of seasons, and see what happens.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

On that note, the Flames should stop developing centres(Bennett, Lindholm, Dube, Ruzicka, and now Zary, Pospisil, and Kerins) as wingers at the NHL level, and then complain about not having any C depth in the organization. At some point we should accept the growing pains of developing a center for a couple of seasons, and see what happens.

Been saying that for years, If you draft a center play him at center

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Are you just oblivious to what the team has done and said in the last year and a half? Im not sure how many times its been said or needs to be said Kadri has no interest in waving his clause! Coleman also has a limited trade clause probably has almost no trade value even if he didnt.

The team wont tank.
Kadri wont wave.
Iggy jr is not going to get traded here.
Coleman wont return squat maybe a second. Dallas may be the only team remotely interested in him.
Huby cant be traded unless another anchor contract comes back
Andersson is the only thing we have that has any trade value or can be traded without a pile if gymnastics and also why I believe that the Andersson trade is basically the end of the rebuild part of rebuild. No else will move or has any legit value

We need a someone to start pushing kadri for minutes not selling-off our only top six center who doesnt want to be traded for dubious returns.

Not trying to dogpile on you but i find it incredibly frustrating ruminating on things that have very low to no probability of it happening.

I think your assessment of Coleman is wildly off the mark.

Coleman, I think, would be highly valued around the league, particularly with contenders looking to add experience, leadership, physical, two-way forward who has a history of coming up big in important moments at a very reasonable cap hit and only two years left.

If the Flames were to trade him, I think you’re talking about a 1st +. And that plus could be a good piece, especially if the Flames retain on his to remaining years.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I think your assessment of Coleman is wildly off the mark.

Coleman, I think, would be highly valued around the league, particularly with contenders looking to add experience, leadership, physical, two-way forward who has a history of coming up big in important moments at a very reasonable cap hit and only two years left.

If the Flames were to trade him, I think you’re talking about a 1st +. And that plus could be a good piece, especially if the Flames retain on his to remaining years.

Like your optimism but i don’t share it. Mid 30’s middle six winger with years arent going to return much.

Said before anyone offers even a low first for coleman i would break a leg running to sign it. Would love to be wrong on this one but if i thought i would get a first ir more for him i would have his pic on hockey teemu.

[Royle9]

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Like your optimism but i don’t share it. Mid 30’s middle six winger with years arent going to return much.

Said before anyone offers even a low first for coleman i would break a leg running to sign it. Would love to be wrong on this one but if i thought i would get a first ir more for him i would have his pic on hockey teemu.

He is only 33. If he keeps up, they can easily get a 1st for him from a contender at the TDL. 2 times Stanley Cup champs with character are not easy to get.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

Whoa.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

I wondered if Kadri was their dream target if we could have got a combination of the Nelson and Coyle return which essentially would have been Middlestat, Ritchie, 1st. That looks like an incredible return for a 34 year old but it would surprise me seeing what they paid for Nelson and Coyle.

End of the day I am glad Kadri is a Flame and he has been full marks in his first 3 years here.

[FlamesAreOne]

What's with all these Jason Robertson rumors? They would be insane to ship out a 25 year old, 35/40 goal guy.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

What's with all these Jason Robertson rumors? They would be insane to ship out a 25 year old, 35/40 goal guy.

Maybe they’re afraid of what they’re going to have to offer him to stay? I bet he would be looking at 11-11.5 on his next contract. MAYBE less in Dallas because of taxes, but anyone else without the advantages probably not.

If he was available, I would hope Calgary would try. Having him on the 1st line and Coronato on the 2nd line would give us two shooters.

Andersson + Coleman (50%) + 18th OA + a decent prospect would be what I’d attempt

But you’re right, pretty insane for them to even think about dealing.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Maybe they’re afraid of what they’re going to have to offer him to stay? I bet he would be looking at 11-11.5 on his next contract. MAYBE less in Dallas because of taxes, but anyone else without the advantages probably not.

If he was available, I would hope Calgary would try. Having him on the 1st line and Coronato on the 2nd line would give us two shooters.

Andersson + Coleman (50%) + 18th OA + a decent prospect would be what I’d attempt

But you’re right, pretty insane for them to even think about dealing.

If you look at the cap situation in Dallas and what they will have to do in the next 2 years, it makes sense to me to trade Robertson. Team will pay for him and they need to pay Harley too. Good teams make these calls and Rantanen in has made Robertson expendable.

Can't keep everyone, need to make tough decisions. Why let ok players walk for nothing when you could be a great return for Robertson and clean up the cap situation at the same time.

Carolina looks so good in the whole Necas/Rantanen trades. Dallas is stuck in a in a likely re-tool situation and the Canes have their 1st.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

What's with all these Jason Robertson rumors? They would be insane to ship out a 25 year old, 35/40 goal guy.

With Johnson, Hintz, Heiskanenen, and Raantenen all making higher salaries, having one more guy in that 10 million range might make him the odd man out. Does anyone else have two wingers making that much?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

Hopefully the only reason they didn’t run it down was because they knew Kadri wouldn’t waive. A miss to me if Kadri was open.

[sureLoss]

Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast says he has heard C Jack McBain name come up as an under the radar offersheet target.

25 year old 6'4'' left shooting C put up 13g 27pts last season with a 49.9% faceoff

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

As always thanks for the info Royle.

However this one is a bitter pill in a lot of ways. I considered kadri and huby to be unmovable, for different reasons obviously, but Andersson and to a much lesser extent Coleman were the only things that had any real value.

That would be a nice haul for another mid thirties player. Would aid tremendously in rebuilding.
However.

Except the sutter year kadri has not only lived up to his contract but probably exceeded it so far. He is still playing at borderline top line production, and he isnt going anywhere. He has brought everything i hoped he would and i hoped we had a great tandem with lindholm …….but ya.

Problem now is the gap between kadri and Backs and frost. I hoped frost would come in score a few goals off adranaline gain some confidence and bridge that gap. Obviously didnt happen.

Adding a Rossi level young center to our lineup this is a playoff team.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on the 32 thoughts podcast says he has heard C Jack McBain name come up as an under the radar offersheet target.

25 year old 6'4'' left shooting C put up 13g 27pts last season with a 49.9% faceoff

Perfect player for CP. The memes, the memes!!

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If you look at the cap situation in Dallas and what they will have to do in the next 2 years, it makes sense to me to trade Robertson. Team will pay for him and they need to pay Harley too. Good teams make these calls and Rantanen in has made Robertson expendable.

Can't keep everyone, need to make tough decisions. Why let ok players walk for nothing when you could be a great return for Robertson and clean up the cap situation at the same time.

Carolina looks so good in the whole Necas/Rantanen trades. Dallas is stuck in a in a likely re-tool situation and the Canes have their 1st.

Do they look 'so good'?
They have been trying to acquire a star level talent 2 years in a row - to push them over the hump and are 0/2.

At some point it's not just about "asset management", it's about winning.

I realize they recovered from the initial deal, but not in a way that actually accomplished the outcome they originally set out to do.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

What's with all these Jason Robertson rumors? They would be insane to ship out a 25 year old, 35/40 goal guy.

Dallas is up against the cap and he is a year away from free agency so they need to make some decisions. If he is out there I could see Conroy having interest.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I'll put it bluntly.

If Calgary had ANY interest in trading Kadri they would have asked him and then moved him to Colorado @ the deadline this year because they were offered better than what they sent to the Isles for Nelson.
It wasn't even discussed, nor mentioned to the player to even think about.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Do they look 'so good'?
They have been trying to acquire a star level talent 2 years in a row - to push them over the hump and are 0/2.

At some point it's not just about "asset management", it's about winning.

I realize they recovered from the initial deal, but not in a way that actually accomplished the outcome they originally set out to do.

They certainly do not look better than Dallas who acquired the superstar player and locked him up for 8 years. Dallas had the most difficult path to the conference finals and the Hurricanes had by far the easiest.

Good on Carolina for taking the swing and then having the time to manage the risk and not come away empty handed.

I come back to the massive regret the Canes must be feeling for not putting the necessary chips in to get the Tkachuk trade across the line. He was ready to sign 8 years there and ended up being the runner up to Florida. They have been Star chasing since.