2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blankall

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The Flames are also a young team that is likely to get better not worse.

I'm not certain that is true.

Their best players are largely older players who will not improve.

While someone like Parekh can be a difference maker, the balance of their prospects are not elite and some years away.

I actually think the Flames will get worse before they get better. Trading Anderson for futures (which is the way to go) will have a huge effect on the dmen, as the rest will need to move up a place.

Of course I said that last year and I was wrong. Wolf's emergence as an NHL goalie made that possible. Parekh may do the same this year.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kadri and Backlund are both excellent mentors. You can see how they've transformed the play of many young forwards.

I also think a lot of posters need to give up on the dream of a tank. I know the Flames not making the playoffs, makes everyone think they are too mid to succeed, but they also tied the record for most points without playoffs. In an 82 game season, they finished 5 points behind the Oilers and 2 points behind the Panthers.

The Flames are also a young team that is likely to get better not worse. Their presence brings more value than a decrease in draft position.

The Flames already traded their #1 center, #1 goalie, #1 RW (Toffoli), and several top 4 d-men. This year was the tank. Wolf emerging is not going to allow a legit tank. Injecting Parekh into the lineup is going to make that harder, as he fills a major hole on the team.

The Flames need an upgrade at centre, or at the very least another centre on Kadri's level. That's likely going to have to come from a trade or free agency, not the tank.

I do not see it this way. I think outside of Wolf and Coronato this teams best players are the veteran 6 who are all 29-36 years old and none of those guys can expect to get that much better and the youngest of the group in Andersson is likely getting traded.

Sure Coronato and Wolf give us hope and I assume Parekh is going to make an impact sooner than later but this team doesn’t have a ton of young guys who are going to take a massive leap. Maybe Zary if he can stay healthy. Does Sharangovich, or Farabee get back to the players they were the season before last or are they just overpaid middle 6 wingers?

There is not enough talent from the players that need to be better than lead me to think the Flames will be better this coming year vs last. If anything teams will not take them as lightly as they did last year in addition to the fact it is very difficult to repeat the effort they gave last year. A little less effort and teams being more prepared could easily put this team into the bottom 10 next year.

We will see what they do this summer because if they stay the course I suspect they will be worse and not better next year.

[NegativeSpace]

It is certainly possible that the team takes a step backwards with Rasmus leaving this year. However, I was fairly certain that this was a bottom 10 team going into last season and they almost made the playoffs, except for a miracle run by St. Louis. If they kept the same roster including Ras, then I would feel that this team could be a bottom 10 team but it could also compete for a playoff spot. I am not confident that Ras actually will change that projection in my mind. They do have some well-marinated defence prospects on the farm and Parekh could surprise.

[FlamesAddiction]

I just don't see the floor being very low for this team even with some key subtractions.

It's Flames. They will fight and find a way to stay in the middle no matter what. It's kind of their thing.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I just don't see the floor being very low for this team even with some key subtractions.

It's Flames. They will fight and find a way to stay in the middle no matter what. It's kind of their thing.

And if Pettersson's contract is going to be the worst in the league, he is destined to be a Flame as well.

[dammage79]

I don't think the Flames will get worse. They move Andersson they'll make a corresponding move to bolster the left side like they should anyway.

Only way IMO to De-Rail next season's efforts is injuries. I just don't see the Flames regressing.

Conroy's going to be busy this offseason .

[DJones]

I think our offense will be significantly better.

Team just got better the longer they played together. Hell, they hardly figured out consistent lines until the season was more than half over. As long as Kadri doesn't fall off a cliff the numbers should improve

[flambers]

I would think the Flames will add 3 players to the lineup,

Some changes

Anderrson is traded
Vladar leaves as a UFA
Rooney leaves as a UFA

Flames re-sign Hanley,

Team finishes similar as last season, in the running for a wild card till the end.

[TheScorpion]

IMO, nothing is less compelling at this point than "in the running for a wild card till the end."

[flambers]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

IMO, nothing is less compelling at this point than "in the running for a wild card till the end."

Agreed, unfortunately my guess its similar as last season

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

IMO, nothing is less compelling at this point than "in the running for a wild card till the end."

When the Flames were asked to pick a lane, they chose traffic.

[Vinny01]

Look at the flames in 2022-2023 that team had 93pts with 17OT losses. It seemed very plausible that they would get one more goal or one more save here or there they would have been a 100+pt team.

It feels like last years group completely maxed out. They didn’t really have another goal or save to give. They finished with a -13 goal differential despite having 14 more wins than regular losses. The NHL is a hard league to predict year after year and we watched this team for a decade never be able to string together consecutive seasons.

This team maxed their effort out last year and teams took them lightly. Very difficult to duplicate. I can totally see a similar run as 14,15,16 for the flames where one really good season is sandwiched between 2 duds.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

IMO, nothing is less compelling at this point than "in the running for a wild card till the end."

Flames need to

1)trade wolf for picks
2) trade Zary for picks
3) trade Ras for picks
4) trade Coronato for picks
5) trade Kadri (who will waive after the first 4 trades) for picks
6) trade Backlund for picks
7) trade Frost for picks
8) trade Yegor for picks
9) trade Coleman for picks
10) trade Farabee for picks

Keep Weegar and Huberdeau because we don’t want to make it obvious that we are tanking. But those 10 moves should definitely take us out of the wild card conversation for years.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Look at the flames in 2022-2023 that team had 93pts with 17OT losses. It seemed very plausible that they would get one more goal or one more save here or there they would have been a 100+pt team.

It feels like last years group completely maxed out. They didn’t really have another goal or save to give. They finished with a -13 goal differential despite having 14 more wins than regular losses. The NHL is a hard league to predict year after year and we watched this team for a decade never be able to string together consecutive seasons.

This team maxed their effort out last year and teams took them lightly. Very difficult to duplicate. I can totally see a similar run as 14,15,16 for the flames where one really good season is sandwiched between 2 duds.

I could be right there with you in that analysis and it is certainly possible. While I think the team worked hard and their effort was top-notch, there were some down years as well. Ras had a tough year. Sharky too. Backlund and Coleman were down from previous years, though I hesitate to say they had tough years. Zary had an up and down year. So, I disagree that this team basically had career years throughout the lineup and is looking to regress. I guess that is why it feels more opened to me trying to predict this team. Last year with all the subtractions I just saw a team that was going to drop. This year I find this team difficult to predict.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I actually completely agree with the posters who are saying last years team (which just missed) was probably playing as well as they possibly could have played, and they still just missed. Chances of the Flames running back the same group next year and hoping for incremental improvements to push of over the top is very unlikely.

Luckily, I don't believe that the Conroy and the management team think this team is good enough as is. They know it needs improving, and I think they know it needs more than tinkering. I also don't think they're going to be willing to mortgage the future to improve the club next year either.

BUT, I think it's pretty clear, they view their goal as return to playoff competitiveness window as more "medium" (some would call it short) than long term. They want to be "contending" in 5 years or less, aligned with the new building. Which to me means they will NOT be looking to tank (and they've stated as much). Every team I can see who's had success building through the draft, multiple top picks, seems to peek ~10 years post those draft picks. I'm not critiquing or advocating for the Flames strategy around this, but seems obvious to me, they don't want to wait that long to try and compete.

Conroy is going to be (or has been) asked to do it faster than the 10 year path tanking would put us on.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

I'd stay clear of Vegas regarding Andersson. Like you mentioned they don't have much in terms of futures in return compared to some other teams, and I'd be hesitant to help them get better as we have their 1st rounder next season.

If the Flames thinks Vegas is going to maintain being good next year after getting Marner, I'd do the following.

Rasmus 50% and #1 Vegas 26

for

Hague and #1 Vegas 27 (Unprotected), 2nd in 2025

They need to sign Eichel the next season. If they give Marner $13+, Eichel will need that much or more. Rasmus would be a UFA too, eventually it will catch up to them

[Bonded]

I really don’t get why people are so confident that the team won’t fade next year when they watched a team with arguably more talent make the playoffs and then end up with a 6th overall pick the following year.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I really don’t get why people are so confident that the team won’t fade next year when they watched a team with arguably more talent make the playoffs and then end up with a 6th overall pick the following year.

Because it won't be the same roster opening day. Nor will it be the same as the end of last year.

Conny did little leading into the draft making changes or upgrades to the roster. iMO, it was pretty much Mantha and promoting a bunch of kids.

I suspect the Defense overall will improve even with Andersson being traded.

They'll score more than last year too. Theres no way they replicate that paltry 31st in the league goals for .

And it doesn't sound like the plan is to stand pat this year. Sounds like they're going to make some improvements.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

If the Flames thinks Vegas is going to maintain being good next year after getting Marner, I'd do the following.

Rasmus 50% and #1 Vegas 26

for

Hague and #1 Vegas 27 (Unprotected), 2nd in 2025

They need to sign Eichel the next season. If they give Marner $13+, Eichel will need that much or more. Rasmus would be a UFA too, eventually it will catch up to them

So Rasmus at 50% off is worth a 2nd round pick and a soon to be 27 year old 5/6 dman? That is an awful trade, why would the Flames need to add a 1st round pick? Why would they want Hague?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Some ridiculous takes lmao. Trade half the roster. The team played its ass off to even get to 96 points. It’s easy to see a 20 point drop off. Wolf doesn’t need to regress. Kadri and Coleman regressing and a new unproven backup is enough to see 5-7 more losses in regulation and not making overtime.

Most teams are unable to Replicate the style we played yearly.

Most of the rumours seem bunk as well. Ppl just link us to players because we have cap and we looked for a center. He got Frost.