Cycling Thread 2

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Bylaw clearly doesn't give two shats about these fully electric, non-pedal bikes and scooters/uni-wheels that haul ass all over the pathway system. Keep you head on a swivel and pray you don't get hit.

I saw a gasoline powered trike ripping on the pathways the other day

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Bylaw clearly doesn't give two shats about these fully electric, non-pedal bikes and scooters/uni-wheels that haul ass all over the pathway system. Keep you head on a swivel and pray you don't get hit.

These things fall into a grey area that most municipalities likely don't have bylaws in place for. Olds is dealing with a similar issue. They are not road legal in Alberta while at the same time not really suitable for pathways/sidewalks either. Another example of technology changes coming faster than our governments can adapt to them. The solution here looks like it lies in a joint effort between the Province and municipalities to define what exactly these machines are, how to classify them, and where they can or cannot be driven.

https://www.thealbertan.com/olds-new...ncerns-9234505

[Fuzz]

I understand the disability issues, but this thing does not belong on a pathway or sidewalk. It's a mini car, complete with blind spots. Pathways require all users to be aware and adjust positioning so everyone can pass by safely. This includes people in wheelchairs, on bikes, and walking dogs. Could you even hear a bell in this? Are those headlights going to blind other users? You can't dip them down when oncoming cyclists are around.

I don't have a problem with wider pathways and other routes being created for these types of things, but there is no way a standard 2-3m pathway can accommodate these vehicles safely.

Fisher’s sister Linda Brandson wrote an email to Town of Olds Mayor Judy Dahl on behalf of her brother and his plight.


“Are all electric scooters, wheelchairs, etc. under this same law,” she asked. “These scooters are sold all around Alberta, so there must be provisions for them in other towns.”

That's...not how the world works lady. Strapping a two stroke to a pedal bike and using it on pathways is also illigal, and also something you can buy.

[ken0042]

I was talking with a few friends and we determined the deciding factor was that these come equipped with Apple Car Play. So that makes it a car.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I was talking with a few friends and we determined the deciding factor was that these come equipped with Apple Car Play. So that makes it a car.

Right there in the name. They don't call it Apple Bicycle Play.

[Bigtime]

...and just like that I had one of these little car thingies on my commute this morning. Was heading southbound on the Nose creek pathway by 16th avenue.

[puffnstuff]

So what should be the rule?
If it relies solely on a motor to move then no pathway for you, as in no pedals or foot power?
Limited to 20 kmh? Something else?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I understand the disability issues, but this thing does not belong on a pathway or sidewalk. It's a mini car, complete with blind spots. Pathways require all users to be aware and adjust positioning so everyone can pass by safely. This includes people in wheelchairs, on bikes, and walking dogs. Could you even hear a bell in this? Are those headlights going to blind other users? You can't dip them down when oncoming cyclists are around.

I don't have a problem with wider pathways and other routes being created for these types of things, but there is no way a standard 2-3m pathway can accommodate these vehicles safely.




That's...not how the world works lady. Strapping a two stroke to a pedal bike and using it on pathways is also illigal, and also something you can buy.

I do not want to see Sliver getting one of these

[RichieRich]

Cautionary warning to road riders headed to Bragg Creek and back… in addition to the usual smaller gravel today came with a healthy dose of larger stones scattered here and there. Plus a LOT of roadies.

I was out with a bigger group and some rocks hits were unavoidable just due to poor visibility and speed and too many chunks without room to move. Lucky I didn’t go down. But one hit did give me an instant front tire flat whilst going 40-45kph.

[#22]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

These things fall into a grey area that most municipalities likely don't have bylaws in place for. Olds is dealing with a similar issue. They are not road legal in Alberta while at the same time not really suitable for pathways/sidewalks either. Another example of technology changes coming faster than our governments can adapt to them. The solution here looks like it lies in a joint effort between the Province and municipalities to define what exactly these machines are, how to classify them, and where they can or cannot be driven.

https://www.thealbertan.com/olds-new...ncerns-9234505

The sign heading into the Fishcreek pathways clearly states “No Motorized Vehicles”.

It does not say “No Gas Powered Vehicles”

Pretty clear to me the bylaw is already in place and covers anything with a motor, whether it be gasoline or electric. They just don’t enforce it

Maybe I’ll start riding my ZRX1100 on the pathways too

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #22

The sign heading into the Fishcreek pathways clearly states “No Motorized Vehicles”.

It does not say “No Gas Powered Vehicles”

Pretty clear to me the bylaw is already in place and covers anything with a motor, whether it be gasoline or electric. They just don’t enforce it

Maybe I’ll start riding my ZRX1100 on the pathways too

That isn’t the rule. The Alberta parks rules are as follows

Cycling/E-bikes
Cycling is permitted on public roads in parks, and on designated pathways and trails designated for cycling.
Pedal assist electric-powered bikes (e-bikes) are permitted in parks where cycling is permitted.
Select "MTB/Cycling" or “e-Bike” under summer activities in Find a Park to identify parks with cycling opportunities.
What is a pedal-assist e-bike?
Pedal-assist e-bikes are defined as non-throttled electric powered bicycles that provide up to 500 Watts of continuous max output. Electric assist must stop when either pedaling stops or 32 km/h is reached. This is sometimes referred to as a class 1 e-bike.
Class 1 e-bikes were approved for use on designated pathways and trails following a two-year pilot project (2019 to 2021) in Kananaskis Country.
What is NOT a pedal-assist e-bike?
Throttle or power-on demand bicycles
More than 500 watts of maximum output
Provides power at over 32 km/h
Other electric-powered devices such as e-scooters and skateboards
For the safety and enjoyment of all park visitors, follow a few common-sense rules of cycling etiquette to keep yourself and others safe. Visit Outdoor Safety for more information.

E-bikes are allowed where ever bikes are based on the above definition

https://www.albertaparks.ca/albertap...ks/activities/

The throttle /no throttle thing is such a ridiculous distinction as using your pedals to trigger a sensor and using your fingers to trigger a sensor are the same thing.