Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Ottawa planning 'up-front' approval for projects deemed in the national interest

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/nat...tion-1.7547435



Greenpeace not happy

This sounds very pragmatic and I love that. I just hope the red tape isn't too thick to get a project deemed 'in the national interest'.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

This sounds very pragmatic and I love that. I just hope the red tape isn't too thick to get a project deemed 'in the national interest'.

Yeah. There's a chance this just adds another level - first you need to get the project declared "in the national interest" with no criteria or timeline, THEN go through the regular regulatory process.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Titan2

I watched the coverage of the meetings. First, CBC is top notch in its coverage. Has guestss from acros the spectrum and lets them talk. No shouting over each other or other bull####.

Second, I was left with an immense amount of pride at how the First Ministers (FM) conducted themselves. They were mature, open minded and willing to work with each other to find solutions and get things moving.

Third, super impressed by the various FM as they spoke. Kanew is pretty impressive for an ... NDP'er (What did you think I was going to say?) Although, he did kind of stomp on PM at the end and is obviously happy to hear his own voice.

Fourth, Doug Ford is pretty impressive. I heard 6 or 7 MOUs have been signed with other provinces to remove trade barriers. Very impressive that he is moving that fast and is being a leader in this area. I also think he is playing a role in moderating some of the other more wingnut leaders(cough/Smith/cough).

Fifth, I hate to say this, I mean I really, REALLY, hate to say this but SHE was actually really impressive in her moments at the mic. Laughing with Ford walking in when he said love was in the air, was a good moment. Her positions sounded reasonable and the mic drop moment of 9 trillion being left in the ground is a great argument. Anyone know if that estimate is true? Overall, she did a good job. Now I feel dirty.

And Carney was very impressive again. He continues to deliver on his promises and is moving things forward. Getting all of the FM to come together and help establish what is a National Project was a brilliant move and he seems to have pulled it off. He comes across as the man in control who will do what he says he will do. I kept trying to think of PP in this situation. It would be a trainwreck.

Time will tell and the FMs may not be as happy when the no answers start coming but, as CBC pounded on, but overall it really makes me optimistic.

Yeah I watched a little bit of it and was very happy to see them act like adults, first time I've felt optimistic about politics in this country in a while. It's probably a bit of a honeymoon phase and maybe things turn for the worse in days, but for now at least all parties are talking, and agreeing, on things. Be nice to have more of that on a daily basis.

One thing I like about Carney so far is that he's........boring. That's what I want. Talk when needed, otherwise I don't need to hear from you every day. Just do your job. Boring politics is great.

[calgarygeologist]

The Liberals are making moves towards getting tough on crime by proposing a bill to give law enforcement more powers.

The legislation, which is not yet law, also proposes changes to what law enforcement can do without a warrant. The background document says it would “clarify the ability of law enforcement to exercise specific powers and seize specific information without a warrant in urgent, time-sensitive circumstances.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...ash-transfers/

[Mr.Coffee]

What did the BC person say or act like because that really is basically the most important one.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

What did the BC person say or act like because that really is basically the most important one.

It was the Deputy Premier. She was very smug and condescending. Did not say anthing else the entire time.

It starts at 7:50 of the clip above, Smith, BC and Ford discuss a bitumen pipeline.

Not sure how BC gets a veto but whatever.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Not sure how BC gets a veto but whatever.

I believe this is an example of the increased provincial sovereignty certain premiers are advocating for.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Yeah I watched a little bit of it and was very happy to see them act like adults, first time I've felt optimistic about politics in this country in a while. It's probably a bit of a honeymoon phase and maybe things turn for the worse in days, but for now at least all parties are talking, and agreeing, on things. Be nice to have more of that on a daily basis.

One thing I like about Carney so far is that he's........boring. That's what I want. Talk when needed, otherwise I don't need to hear from you every day. Just do your job. Boring politics is great.

I understand there are political affiliations or bias that will sometimes mask what some will perceive.

Trudeau was an ideological antagonist and absolutely a deep reason for the divide we saw in Canada from 2015 onwards, and further exacerbated during covid. Poilievre would have been more of the same and pushed the division with petty grifts and focus on problems that don't exist.

Carney on the other hand is pragmatic in his approach and really doesn't care about the political side, he just wants to get things done in the most sensible method. You don't need to agree with all of his stances or policies, but he will give you a reason for that stance instead of gaslighting you that he's putting money in your pockets or how we all need to do better.

Good old radical center free of ideological, virtue signaling and religious nonsense lead by a guy who doesn't believe in showmanship.

[Erick Estrada]

So far pretty pleased with Carney as he's a massive upgrade as PM.

[afc wimbledon]

BC will be interesting, the NDP is broke and none to popular so they will try and sit on the fence and look like they are still blocking a new pipeline for their core Victoria voters while at the same time looking like they are allowing it for possible Fraser Valley pick up truck drivers.

My guess is they will rely on native bands to actually stop it and not do much either way themselves

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So far pretty pleased with Carney as he's a massive upgrade as PM.

It'll be interesting to see how many landings he can stick. So far it's been great in a lot of areas, and I really hope we can achieve even half of what he's putting forward. Unfortunately the real world tends to get in the way often.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So far pretty pleased with Carney as he's a massive upgrade as PM.

It is a very low bar but I too am cautiously optimistic from what I see so far.

[Firebot]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...throne-speech/

Interim NDP leader says party will vote against throne speech

That's a bold strategy Cotton.

What a rudderless shell of a party completely out of touch with Canadians.

Bloc has already come forth to say they won't trigger an election for at least a year, and even the CPC may vote for the throne speech considering their leader doesn't have a seat (I think it would be a stupid move to vote against it with new honeymoon polls showing a significant gap).

The throne speech will surely pass without the NDP which is what they seem to be banking on. If it doesn't...can they even afford a new election?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...throne-speech/



That's a bold strategy Cotton.

What a rudderless shell of a party completely out of touch with Canadians.

Bloc has already come forth to say they won't trigger an election for at least a year, and even the CPC may vote for the throne speech considering their leader doesn't have a seat (I think it would be a stupid move to vote against it with new honeymoon polls showing a significant gap).

The throne speech will surely pass without the NDP which is what they seem to be banking on. If it doesn't...can they even afford a new election?

They probably only say this knowing that it will pass. The NDP would probably be totally eradicated in another election run today.

But, strategically over the next 3 years, they need to create a massive gap between them and the liberals to take back some seats. Opposing pipelines and massive infrastructure projects just became red meat again.

[Monahammer]

The Cons will have to vote for it. Calling another election today would be seen as petulent and increase the general distaste people have for the party and their direction. Especially right ahead of the G7 and important negotiations with Trump on steel and aluminum... it's an absolutely reckless position and they would pay for it dearly imo.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

BC will be interesting, the NDP is broke and none to popular so they will try and sit on the fence and look like they are still blocking a new pipeline for their core Victoria voters while at the same time looking like they are allowing it for possible Fraser Valley pick up truck drivers.

My guess is they will rely on native bands to actually stop it and not do much either way themselves

Are you talking about the provincial NDP or the federal party? The provincial NDP are basically in the same position as they were going into the last provincial election.

The BC Conservatives are proving to be an absolute dumpster-fire in opposition, so they're unlikely to make gains in the areas of the province they would need to take control of government.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Firebot

The throne speech will surely pass without the NDP which is what they seem to be banking on. If it doesn't...can they even afford a new election?

Aren't you the same poster who has been bashing the NDP for the last several years for not distancing themselves from Liberals?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

They probably only say this knowing that it will pass. The NDP would probably be totally eradicated in another election run today.

But, strategically over the next 3 years, they need to create a massive gap between them and the liberals to take back some seats. Opposing pipelines and massive infrastructure projects just became red meat again.

That party needs a leader who understands that clawing their way out of their current mess is going to require a long term commitment to not appeasing their fringe supporters that are pushing voters away. Focus on jobs creation, protecting workers and expanding social services instead of worrying about trying to fix every issue under the sun. They’re better off making themselves electable on a platform that tries to address 3 issues most Canadians are concerned about than remaining unelectable while trying to address every issue.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

They probably only say this knowing that it will pass. The NDP would probably be totally eradicated in another election run today.

But, strategically over the next 3 years, they need to create a massive gap between them and the liberals to take back some seats. Opposing pipelines and massive infrastructure projects just became red meat again.

It will be interesting, with the Liberals moving right it does open up some more space for the NDP to stand on their own, not shoulder to shoulder. How Canadians respond to that will depend a lot on how Carney does.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The Cons will have to vote for it. Calling another election today would be seen as petulent and increase the general distaste people have for the party and their direction. Especially right ahead of the G7 and important negotiations with Trump on steel and aluminum... it's an absolutely reckless position and they would pay for it dearly imo.

Liberals most likely get a majority if an election is called today anyways. I don’t think a lot of people have been disappointed thus far in what appears to be Carney’s very pragmatic approach. Even a lot of die-hard conservative voters who I know have been cautiously optimistic. When he fails to deliver on some items then that could change.