2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

At the time of the trade, most posters felt that Calagry was getting the best player in the trade. And that Tkachuk was simply a function of Johnny, and he'd wouldn't reach those scoring heights ever again.

It was only Florida's GM who labelled Tkachuk a unicorn, and many posters here made fun of him for saying that.

Let’s be real here there was a crazy amount of emotion around that deal and this gut punch came right after our other superstar left us for Columbus of all places. We all felt it so when Treliving was somehow able to get a superstar player and legit top 4 Dman back it felt unbelievable at the time. 29 year old Huberdeau had 115pts to 24 year old Tkachuk having 108.

There was a lot of hurt feelings that resulted in obvious negative opinions of the player we just lost.

I spent a good portion of that summer and season debating with Dino that this was a really good trade for both teams but time has shown it was a franchise altering brilliance from Zito and Treliving did enough to salvage mediocrity as Florida has their 3 straight SCF and the Flames pick is 16th for the 2nd time in 3 years.

[Sylvanfan]

I wonder if Wegars value today is higher or lower than when the Flames acquired him.

I think he's more established now and has proven to be a top 3 defenceman. But he's still got 6 years of contract left, and is over 30....so how much does that kill his value? I think at his price he should still have value, more than if he'd been traded as a rental 3 years ago. But I'm sure my rose colored glasses have me severely over valuing Weegar.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I wonder if Wegars value today is higher or lower than when the Flames acquired him.

I think he's more established now and has proven to be a top 3 defenceman. But he's still got 6 years of contract left, and is over 30....so how much does that kill his value? I think at his price he should still have value, more than if he'd been traded as a rental 3 years ago. But I'm sure my rose colored glasses have me severely over valuing Weegar.

I dont think its Rose coloured glassess in this case. Weegar is 31, and seems to play the type of game that reminds me of Giordano, who won his norris when he was 35.

I guess lots can change in 4-5 years and players slow down at different rates, but I feel he plays the type of game that will age well. I can see him still playing at a top pairing level for at least 4 of those 6 years, if not more. I think his value is higher than when the Flames acquired him, as he should be in his prime for another 4 years, and has a great contract.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Kadri and Coleman stay, fine if the return isn't great but then you need to look at other options

Frost
Zary
Sharangovich
Farabee

I agree that those are the most likely move candidates after Coleman. Hypothetically if 2 of them have good years, and 2 bad years do we cash in and trade the guys that have career years? Or the ones that were average?

Hypothetical scenario:
Frost 20G 55P
Zary 20G 40P
Sharangovich 30G 60P
Farabee 12G 25P

Which 2 do you trade the following season? I would still be pretty tempted to trade Sharangovich and Frost in that scenario in an attempt to get an upgrade at C or a haul of draft picks.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

How many people wrote the article? Just one person's opinion.

Both Thomas and Tage Thompson were 2 RFAs that signed that summer (Tage a year early). Both had 1 break out season under their belt and both were wanting big money, and a fair number of posters didn't think they had proven enough to command the money. Both proved that to be wrong immediately.

There was a fair number of people that thought Tkachuk was worth quite a bit more than Thomas and there was at least 1 page of straight bashing Buffalo for Tage's contract before I jumped in saying it was a good deal for Buffalo. People needed to see more.

Rossi seems to be in a similar boat with a fair number of posters saying similar things. You are flat out saying the same thing that he is not #1 because of 1 60-point season.

If you can trade a late 1st and sign him long term even if the AAV is north of $8M, you do it. Cap is escalating quickly for the next few years and he's a potential #1 center that would be a good #2 and that money will be #2 money and I really doubt the contract moves into an untradeable contract.

Only issue I have is 4 centers who need more than 15 minutes of ice. Kadri should be the one that goes but if you flip Frost out, I guess that is an ok plan B.

Go back and read my posts on Rossi. I think he is a number one in the making (he's shown consistent growth each year) and well worth the risk of trading for him if the price is right.

I'm just debating your take on Thomas at the time of the Tkachuk trade, as he had clearly already taken the next step and was a number 1 at the time of that trade.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I agree that those are the most likely move candidates after Coleman. Hypothetically if 2 of them have good years, and 2 bad years do we cash in and trade the guys that have career years? Or the ones that were average?

Hypothetical scenario:
Frost 20G 55P
Zary 20G 40P
Sharangovich 30G 60P
Farabee 12G 25P

Which 2 do you trade the following season? I would still be pretty tempted to trade Sharangovich and Frost in that scenario in an attempt to get an upgrade at C or a haul of draft picks.

If I had to pick 2 right now and be held accountable for my decision like Conroy would. I would pick Zary 1st. I like the kid, and he has heart, but he isn't very big or fast and just doesn't bring high end skills. He's not a playmaker with elite vision or a elite shooter. Not overly physical. I could be wrong and if he signs 2 years maybe I keep him to see what he has but IMO he's not an ideal bottom 6 forward and projects to be a bottom end top 6 forward. Very replaceable.

I also think he would bring a good return.

Sharangovich I doubt brings a good return, but he has an elite level shot and is good on the PK. I can see him on a 3rd line role but also could be a 2nd line 35 goal player. He plays the PP and PK so I see him as more valable and less trade value.

I see Farabee as our next Coleman

Frost also could end up like Zary where you just don't see him exceling in any area. Lower upside as well. He looked ok at times being in a prime spot on the PP with the puck on his stick to make plays. But the hope would be that someday we have someone way better in that spot. If he loses that spot, I just don't see an elite shooter, skater, physical forechecker, elite on the PK.

Zary and Frost I would pick if we aren't trading Coleman and Kadri. I just don't see why a late 1st is so much more valuable than more years with the kids and getting a 2nd. I have 16% getting a top 6 forward with a 1st outside the top 20 vs 7.5% in the 2nd round. Pepsi said you need some luck sometimes and some of it is luck and some is good scouting but there is a reasonable chance that the 2nd round pick ends up being the better pick.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I wonder if Wegars value today is higher or lower than when the Flames acquired him.

I think he's more established now and has proven to be a top 3 defenceman. But he's still got 6 years of contract left, and is over 30....so how much does that kill his value? I think at his price he should still have value, more than if he'd been traded as a rental 3 years ago. But I'm sure my rose colored glasses have me severely over valuing Weegar.

He certainly holds more value now as he's not a pending UFA and has proven he's a #1 defensemen in this league. His contract is an absolute steal with it occupying just 6.5% of the cap and that % will only continue to go down.

For context - among defensemen in the NHL this past season Mackenzie Weegar ranked

7th in total ice time
3rd in hits
5th in blocked shots
7th in takeaways
13th in shots
17th in points
1st in Relative GF%

Oh ya - he did all this playing next to Hanley and Miromanov.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

He certainly holds more value now as he's not a pending UFA and has proven he's a #1 defensemen in this league. His contract is an absolute steal with it occupying just 6.5% of the cap and that % will only continue to go down.

For context - among defensemen in the NHL this past season Mackenzie Weegar ranked

7th in total ice time
3rd in hits
5th in blocked shots
7th in takeaways
13th in shots
17th in points
1st in Relative GF%

Oh ya - he did all this playing next to Hanley and Miromanov.

Weegar's value IMO is at an all-time high but over the next 3 years it should hold and could go up if the cap goes up as much as they think it will. He's a keeper for now and even if you want this team to tank, it doesn't hurt to have a couple guys like him around.

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Final tidbit: Sharks want to speed up the process and will try and be active this summer. Money won’t be an issue and they will try and land some top fish (Marner) in the offseason. If players don’t choose the Sharks, it won’t be money. They have cap space to go after players and they want Celebrini, Smith, etc to feel a winning culture rather than a rebuild.

Plattner is a wealthy fella, but he has to be getting tired of losing money like this. Place is empty. We rented the owner's suite for a buddy's birthday party this year for a song.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calagry will always, under present ownership, try to win as many games as possible each year.

Conroy is at least being allowed to trade UFA's to be before they become UFA's, and being allowed to target younger players.

If that thought process was allowed to exist back at the time of the Tkachuk trade, perhaps the Necas trade would have been favoured.

My take, based on what Conroy is doing, is that Treliving got things his way and that the impatience had nothing to do with ownership.

The approach was all him; ignore the scouts, chase FAs you have an irrational crush on, try to show the hockey world that you are smarter than them all. He fled to the next employer that he could fleece when he realized what a mess he created here - Toronto offered him a face-saving escape. He then proceeded to take the Leafs, an almost finished product, and distorted it with his perverse hockey proclivities. LOL

I think the only directive from ownership is to keep season ticket sales high and sell out the Dome as much as possible. Don't embarrass us.

If Conroy gets it right, and I think he will get as much time as Treliving did, Flames will be an annual playoff participant and then he can figure out how to catch lightning in a bottle to win it all. But you need that base first, absent a generational player.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Plattner is a wealthy fella, but he has to be getting tired of losing money like this. Place is empty. We rented the owner's suite for a buddy's birthday party this year for a song.

Couldn’t be. They have Celebrini. Fans will pay good money to watch a team get decimated every night so long as there is young talent to get excited about!

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

For 1 more year and then they can trade him to 18 teams without asking.

Kadri would move to a few teams, I think it the situation presents itself you move on it even if the return isn't great.

He wouldn't. I believe he would entertain Toronto, that's it. He definitely has no interest in going back to Colorado. I think there is a snowballs chance in hell Kadri is going anywhere right now.

[traptor]

Kadri would actually be a great fit for the Leafs this year, especially if they can't get Bennett.

They really have nothing that would be worth moving him for though.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Weegar's value IMO is at an all-time high but over the next 3 years it should hold and could go up if the cap goes up as much as they think it will. He's a keeper for now and even if you want this team to tank, it doesn't hurt to have a couple guys like him around.

I think it has to be higher now than it will ever be again. What are the chances his next 3 seasons are his best three vs the last 3? So you'd be trading his best seasons of a contract that's already very good value. There is injury and total dollar risk that will devalue the asset. But the tradeoff is getting a top pair guy who can play either side at a very attractive number.

I like Weegar and what he brings. I'd keep him around one more year to help break in Parehk and likely fill some of the void losing Rasmus could create. But honestly he has to be traded next year if the Flames ever want to be anything but a team finishing in a Wild Card spot every second year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Frank Seravalli: Canucks will re-engage with teams over Elias Pettersson trade before no trade clause kicks in this July, but open to keeping him - Daily Faceoff Live

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Frank Seravalli: Canucks will re-engage with teams over Elias Pettersson trade before no trade clause kicks in this July, but open to keeping him - Daily Faceoff Live

Vancouver - we totally want to keep him, buuuut maybe we'll do you a favour and let you take him from us. But we totally want to keep him though.

[dino7c]

11.6M they would basically need to give him away no? Giving him away would be a win if they spent the money wisely

[gvitaly]

If we could get Pettersson with one of Kadri or Huberdeau going the other way I'd do it in a heartbeat.

There's just so much skill there, and I think he will get back to being a 90 point player with his new team.

[dino7c]

Kadri! he has legit value...I think Pettersson will get better but I'm not convinced he is a 11.6M player he might have negative value.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If we could get Pettersson with one of Kadri or Huberdeau going the other way I'd do it in a heartbeat.

There's just so much skill there, and I think he will get back to being a 90 point player with his new team.

Petterson certainly qualifies as a big fish but Vancouver will want a C back. Something we really don’t have to offer.

Given Royle’s info, I don’t see how we land something big with the limitations. Completely understand our untouchable list, but what is left of value to acquire a big fish? 2025 first (s)? But given our stage in thr rebuild/rrtool, should we be moving those picks? In order to catch a fish, you need bait. I just have s hard tine seeing what we have available getting something of value in return