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Old 05-19-2025, 11:03 PM   #81
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I will give it more time. 1.1 was a snoozer.
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The first arc (there are four 3-episode arcs per season) in both seasons is slow. You have to just kind of soldier through it, but each subsequent arc ramps up and gives you more to sink your teeth into.

Season 1 is worth it for the prison arc. There's also a certain escape scene on a ship that will make even casual Star Wars fan's eyes jump out of their heads with excitement.

I'd say for a lot of people coming in, there has to be an adjustment because it's a different kind of show. Expect the slow burn, and you'll be rewarded with a great pay off.
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The first arc (there are four 3-episode arcs per season) in both seasons is slow. You have to just kind of soldier through it, but each subsequent arc ramps up and gives you more to sink your teeth into.

Season 1 is worth it for the prison arc. There's also a certain escape scene on a ship that will make even casual Star Wars fan's eyes jump out of their heads with excitement.

I'd say for a lot of people coming in, there has to be an adjustment because it's a different kind of show. Expect the slow burn, and you'll be rewarded with a great pay off.

Yup. This is Star Wars for adults. It's a slow-burn espionage/political thriller, so you have to let it cook for a while before you get the big pay off. And man, this show absolutely delivers and then some. It's just so freakin' good, and likely the best SW project we'll see for quite some time. I anticipate that the Mandalorian movie will be enjoyable because Favreau is writing and directing, but even then I don't see how anyone is gonna top what we just watched with Andor. This was top notch SW from beginning to end.
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I heard Dave Filoni is bitter about the critical success Gilroy is having.

They need to step up Ahsoka S2 in terms of writing so that it can even belong in the same universe as Andor because that first season was rough (outside of the two original characters baylan and shin). But sounds like they're going to lean into the key jingling with even more cameos.

I dare them to write a satisfying arc that makes the existing characters more interesting and dynamic and doesn't lean on x character from rebels showing up.

If Andor can be great without any major cameos, lightsaber fight, jedi or sith....
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If Andor can be great without any major cameos, lightsaber fight, jedi or sith....
I think you might be forgetting about Luthen's ship!

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2nd season just like 1st season in that they save the best for last. I get the whole buildup thing but do wish they could add a bit more action to the first halves of the seasons.
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2nd season just like 1st season in that they save the best for last. I get the whole buildup thing but do wish they could add a bit more action to the first halves of the seasons.
I trust you guys that it gets good, but the first three of season one are boring.
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I trust you guys that it gets good, but the first three of season one are boring.
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I trust you guys that it gets good, but the first three of season one are boring.
I felt the same way on my first viewing, going back and watching it again before season 2 started up I felt it was much better than I gave it credit for. But still well below some of the best arcs we get.
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Episode 1.4 was much better. Now it is interesting.

But, in a galaxy where everyone has faster than light travel, the imperial payroll is delivered in cash? No direct deposit?

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But, in a galaxy where everyone has faster than light travel, the imperial payroll is delivered in cash? No direct deposit?
For some reason hard, physical money is still a thing in the Star Wars galaxy. It's also a major plot element in the Skeleton Crew.
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Episode 1.4 was much better. Now it is interesting.

But, in a galaxy where everyone has faster than light travel, the imperial payroll is delivered in cash? No direct deposit?
Star Wars may not be the thing for you to watch.
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the thing to remember too is that not all the galaxy is/was controlled by the Republic/Empire. Hard currency in the way of something like gold, or Beskir, or whatever makes it easier for commerce across the galaxy.

Hell, the Federation in Star Trek doesn't have money, but we know that Gold Pressed Latium is very much a thing. And likely the Starfleet officers on DS9 would have been given an allowance of sum to by drinks at quarks etc.

Back to Star Wars though, in TPM we know Qui-Gon tried to buy the hyperdrive with Republic Credits. Watto only wanted 'real' money.

But from a production standpoint, I do think it's important to remember that even though this is Star Wars made in the 2020s, they still from a production design perspective are tied to the analog world of the OG films. It's buttons, and dials, and plugs.
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This is something that I always found interesting, the whole Star Trek 'no money' concept was always inherently flawed, but in true Trekkian fashion they deftly danced around it whenever it was brought up.

I mean...there were times on away missions where the TNG crew go into a bar...they gotta pay with something because there might not be money on earth but there is here!

And if you can replicate anything, why not replicate latinum?

Ditto with DS9 and Quark's and the Ferengi.

It made more sense in Star Wars that there has to be money because Star Wars was always the antithesis of Trek in which its dirtier, grittier and more realistic and less utopian.

The economics of it absolutely make no goddamned sense, that requires suspension of disbelief because realistically the cost of a single Star Destroyer would be astronomical and a Death Star? Unthinkable. I mean, do Stormtroopers get paid? When would they even have time to spend the money?

I cannot even fathom the type of Taxation department that would be required to collect Galactic taxes, it would require it's own planet.

I mean...they'd have to build a second Death Star just to house all of the Accountants from the Galactic Revenue Service and it would show up to planets whose taxes are in arrears. The Collections department are in charge of the superlaser.

You can go down that rabbit hole forever for fun but the end result is always the same, it dont make no goddamned sense and you just throw your hands in the air and roll with it.
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the thing to remember too is that not all the galaxy is/was controlled by the Republic/Empire. Hard currency in the way of something like gold, or Beskir, or whatever makes it easier for commerce across the galaxy.

Hell, the Federation in Star Trek doesn't have money, but we know that Gold Pressed Latium is very much a thing. And likely the Starfleet officers on DS9 would have been given an allowance of sum to by drinks at quarks etc.

Back to Star Wars though, in TPM we know Qui-Gon tried to buy the hyperdrive with Republic Credits. Watto only wanted 'real' money.

But from a production standpoint, I do think it's important to remember that even though this is Star Wars made in the 2020s, they still from a production design perspective are tied to the analog world of the OG films. It's buttons, and dials, and plugs.


I've been re reading the Plageius book which is still really interesting.


When you have a Republic that's 10's of thousands of years old, it goes beyond governments. Even when the Empire ruled, there were still special interest groups that needed to be made happy.


In the time of the fall of the Republic. You have the Trade Federation manipulating the government, and acting as a corrupting force. You had the Banking Clan corrupting in the background. You even had the weapons manufacturers the Corporate alliance and other groups. Because of that when they weren't lobbying senators and corrupting them. During the Clone wars we saw the banks nearly bankrupting the Republic in the name of fighting the Clone Wars.


Even after Palpatine took over and tried to nationalize everything. You still had the mega corps helping to make government policy. You had entire segments of the galaxy run by the Corporate Alliance, and the various cartels.


Currency was definitely power in the GFFA. Palpatine wasn't corrupted by Money, he was consumed with the power over the Mundane Universe, but he knew that Mundance non force beings could be bought and swayed with money and encouraged corruption. and bribes.
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Star Wars may not be the thing for you to watch.
Andor just pulls off a heist, then goes to visit his mom, and then a resort world. Why not go into deep hiding? He sure has a stick up his ass.

I think I know what they are building in prison.
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I heard Dave Filoni is bitter about the critical success Gilroy is having.

They need to step up Ahsoka S2 in terms of writing so that it can even belong in the same universe as Andor because that first season was rough (outside of the two original characters baylan and shin). But sounds like they're going to lean into the key jingling with even more cameos.

I dare them to write a satisfying arc that makes the existing characters more interesting and dynamic and doesn't lean on x character from rebels showing up.

If Andor can be great without any major cameos, lightsaber fight, jedi or sith....
Is Ahsoka worth watching? I never watched any of the cartoons and I still have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact the Obi-Wan's apprentice had an apprentice. Also, what the heck was she doing during the movies?
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