American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GirlySports]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1926962745896816968

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1926797253500416195

[TorqueDog]

Ooof, Peterson bit off way more than he could chew. What an imbecile.

I miss Hitchens. I would love to see him dismantle one of these modern day apologists... although considering the arguments really haven't changed, I guess I could go watch some old videos of his.

[FlamesAddiction]

Jordan Peterson has always been somewhat ambiguous about his religious beliefs. He gets asked it a lot and usually declines to answer. He has said in the past that he follows the moral and philosophical teachings of Christianity and tries to act as if god exists, but is uncommitted to saying whether he actually believes in god or divinity. He has gone to say he doubts it.

So it kind of is a complicated question for him, as it is for a lot of people. If following the teachings of Jesus makes you a Christian, then he is. But if you have to actually commit to believing in god or Christ's divinity, then he wouldn't be considered one. Spirituality is complicated, hard to articulate, and deeply personal.

If that show was supposed to be a bona fide card carrying Christian debating atheists, he is probably on the wrong show. Not that I care for Jordan Peterson, but I wouldn't talk to someone using that tone either. That person seemed like he just wanted to cause a scene.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Jordan Peterson has always been somewhat ambiguous about his religious beliefs. He gets asked it a lot and usually declines to answer. He has said in the past that he follows the moral and philosophical teachings of Christianity and tries to act as if god exists, but is uncommitted to saying whether he actually believes in god or divinity. He has gone to say he doubts it.

So it kind of is a complicated question for him, as it is for a lot of people. If following the teachings of Jesus makes you a Christian, then he is. But if you have to actually commit to believing in god or Christ's divinity, then he wouldn't be considered one. Spirituality is complicated, hard to articulate, and deeply personal.

If that show was supposed to be a bona fide card carrying Christian debating atheists, he is probably on the wrong show. Not that I care for Jordan Peterson, but I wouldn't talk to someone using that tone either. That person seemed like he just wanted to cause a scene.

Well, that's kind of the whole problem with Peterson anyway; his M.O. has long been to couch his religious views in a kind of "strategic ambiguity". He invokes the pragmatic utility of religious belief systems ("act as if God exists") without outright claiming a belief in a theistic, personal God, and he leans hard on the whole "God as an idea" versus "God as a being" obfuscation to try to win debates. Yet when you listen to him, he's very clearly espousing a bias toward the Judeo-Christian concept of a 'God'. He's deliberately vague and it allows him to appeal to both religious and secular audiences... which is likely how he hookwinks such a wide range of people who otherwise wouldn't give him a second look.

If one side refuses to define (or even agree on a definition) for what 'God' is or admit that you're the Christian (and agreeing to argue in support of the defacto definition), then you're just arguing past each other. It undermines the whole exercise; if you sign up for “Christian vs. 25 Atheists,” you are implicitly representing a specific worldview. I really don't get why he signed up for this if that's how he's going to respond to the question. Did he think it was going to be him on the offensive the whole time?

[puffnstuff]

Peterson is a turd

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

https://twitter.com/user/status/1926797253500416195

It’s funny, cause it looks like Peterson got owned by someone using his own debate style.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Jordan Peterson has always been somewhat ambiguous about his religious beliefs. He gets asked it a lot and usually declines to answer. He has said in the past that he follows the moral and philosophical teachings of Christianity and tries to act as if god exists, but is uncommitted to saying whether he actually believes in god or divinity. He has gone to say he doubts it.

So it kind of is a complicated question for him, as it is for a lot of people. If following the teachings of Jesus makes you a Christian, then he is. But if you have to actually commit to believing in god or Christ's divinity, then he wouldn't be considered one. Spirituality is complicated, hard to articulate, and deeply personal.

If that show was supposed to be a bona fide card carrying Christian debating atheists, he is probably on the wrong show. Not that I care for Jordan Peterson, but I wouldn't talk to someone using that tone either. That person seemed like he just wanted to cause a scene.

Peterson is smart enough to know the fundy nutters are a vital segment of his support so even if he thinks they are morons (and he probably does) he aint going to say it

[BigThief]

The origional title of the video was "One Christian vs 20 Atheists" but was changed hours later to "Jordan Peterson vs 20 Atheists". The guy has zero control over his emotions and is about as dishonest of a debater as there is.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by BigThief

The guy has zero control over his emotions and is about as dishonest of a debater as there is.

As the man himself would say*, “Archetypal truth opens dimensionless responsibility, roughly speaking”.


*not actually a real quote but feck me if it isn’t convincing as all hell.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

This might actually push the US to provide more support for Ukraine.

This administration cares far more about $$$$ than Lives.

You’re wrong.

This administration only cares about $$$$.

[rubecube]

Come on, guys. According to one poster on this site, Peterson is the most important Canadian intellectual of our generation.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Come on, guys. According to one poster on this site, Peterson is the most important Canadian intellectual of our generation.

Who said that ? lol

[btimbit]

Peterson nothing more than Canadian Ben Shapiro. Doubt he even believes half the #### that comes out of his mouth, but sure knows how to sell it

[Fuzz]

Reminds me of a conversation I had with my brain washed brother. Get so strongly convinced of a point, then argue it despite it not actually aligning with you or any of your values. He was ranting about puberty blockers and parents letting their kids have them should be arrested(he wrongly thought they were sterilizing, which I eventually corrected him on). I asked what was so wrong with people choosing to live the life that makes them happy, he finally desperately bleated "but it's an affront to God!"

My jaw dropped for a sec, wondering if he had changed more than I realized. I tested. "But you don't believe in god?"

The slow mo facial expression change was something to behold. From anger, to bafflement, confusion...realization. "uh, well, ya but still..." he managed to mumble, trying to rationalize the point he'd been convinced to argue that goes against his own reality.

This is what the misinformation fire hose does to people.

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/dennycarter.../3lq5qss4fxc2s


Wasn't really a fan of his standup, but the bits I've heard of him on his understanding of the modern world has me thinkin' ya, put him up against Joe any day.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Peterson is smart enough to know the fundy nutters are a vital segment of his support so even if he thinks they are morons (and he probably does) he aint going to say it

That's probably spot on. The religious right is the easiest demographic to grift so long as you don't say anything naughty about their god.

[CroFlames]

Why did Petersen cry that one time when he said he was the voice for incels or something along those lines? LoL.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Peterson nothing more than Canadian Ben Shapiro. Doubt he even believes half the #### that comes out of his mouth, but sure knows how to sell it

How so? Ben Shapiro is super religious and believes everything he says. Even bashing Trump on tariffs.

[Erick Estrada]

Came for discussion about the orange idiot. Left disappointed.