I think everyone should read this, if they haven't.
Canadian junior hockey players have been the subject in at least 15 group sexual assault cases since 1989.
I have no idea what verdict may result from this trial, but if the publicity reduces this type of abhorrent behavior it is successful. It's not an easy read, but is a must read
A long established culture like that sure sounds like a breeding ground for predatory behavior.
When something like that is entrenched for decades, it starts feeding on itself. So many will have something to hide and/or a need to think it's okay.
Some guys will end up participating because they feel pressured, others because they're dumb young and horny
and others will revel in the opportunity to be an abuser with no consequences.
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Why wouldn't he bill for every phone call, email etc.?
How would he make money otherwise?
Maybe a bunch of people in other careers have chunks of their day that are donations to their clients/bosses?? They just work for free then? I wonder why anyone would do that though.
i've been on the other end of this hosing when i was fighting my old employer. My lawyer told me that while annoying, take solace in knowing that my old employer's lawyer was pretty useless and was likely billing them insanely high. lol
Lawyers don't tack on extra charges "per email/phone call/text" when billing by hourly rate. That's inclded in the time billing. When you see those notes on the bill it's a description of what the lawyer did during that time.
And an email may take me 5 minutes or an hour, depending on what it's about, what I had to do to get the info to put in it, etc. A phone call might be 5 minutes or two hours. When I get a text from another lawyer or a client on business, it will be my first.
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She said the men did not physically force her into the sexual activity and told the court she did not say "no" out loud, other than to tell them to stop slapping her buttocks because she was in pain.
She said that after this, she was encouraged to perform oral sex on McLeod on the bed, at which point she said multiple people began slapping her buttocks: “They were taking turns trying to hit as hard as they could. I told them to stop at that point.”
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What I’m getting out of this trial so far is that the crown is focused on the “butt smack” and the tea bagging as there is no mention anywhere of consent for these acts. Dubé and Foote will be the two who are found guilty. With all the went on, these two violations may seem the least “severe” but if EM did not ask to be spanked, and did not ask to be tea bagged, these two are guilty. If she did if fact ask for sex and offered oral, and is an exhibitionist, the charges Mr against other players will be dismissed.
It will be interesting to see what sort of sentences a smack on the butt and a tea bag (naked or in underwear yet to be determined) bring.
Of course time will tell but seems like you could be on to something. I wonder about McLeod though because I'm not sure they have anything that proves she asked for other guys to be invited to the room (regardless of what she did once they got there).
c. In what world was there public sentiment against Hockey Canada and young famous men before this came out?
These young men are so hated that grown men and women, in the thousands, spend their hard-earned money to purchase a jersey with these young men's name on them and then spend hundreds of dollars to sit in an arena and watch them play a child's game ... all because of negative public sentiment!?!?
I think everyone should read this, if they haven't.
Canadian junior hockey players have been the subject in at least 15 group sexual assault cases since 1989.
I have no idea what verdict may result from this trial, but if the publicity reduces this type of abhorrent behavior it is successful. It's not an easy read, but is a must read
Why wouldn't he bill for every phone call, email etc.?
How would he make money otherwise?
Well the successful lawyers are able to make money on other people's time.
But as genAI is shortening the time to write briefs and do research, lawyers will start billing for outcomes vs. hourly rates. It's happening everywhere in professional services.
If a lawyer does research for you, do you want to pay them based on how long it took or the quality of the output?
I think everyone should read this, if they haven't.
Canadian junior hockey players have been the subject in at least 15 group sexual assault cases since 1989.
I have no idea what verdict may result from this trial, but if the publicity reduces this type of abhorrent behavior it is successful. It's not an easy read, but is a must read
Trials aren't always about the outcomes. In this case, the complainant gets a chance to be heard. Regardless of a guilty conviction or whether there was actual criminal acts, the hockey players were complete A-holes and clearly treated women with total disrespect. Beyond what happened that night, they were also sharing videos of the incident afterwards with their teammates.
Even if these guys don't get jail sentences, their careers have been torpedoed. Carter Hart likely lost $50 (or maybe even $100) million+ dollars and the chance to be an All-Star level goalie in the NHL because of his behaviour. Maybe what needed to happen was more akin to being "cancelled" than a criminal conviction, but it clearly needed to happen.
Well the successful lawyers are able to make money on other people's time.
But as genAI is shortening the time to write briefs and do research, lawyers will start billing for outcomes vs. hourly rates. It's happening everywhere in professional services.
If a lawyer does research for you, do you want to pay them based on how long it took or the quality of the output?
Legal research is a pretty small part of a lawyer's day. I don't spend that much time researching, and I have a junior associate do a lot of that work for me. I also would never trust AI to do any kind legal research. I'd trust a legal assistant before AI any day. I mean maybe that will improve, but currently AI is struggling to create human hands with the correct amount of fingers. It has a ways to go.
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