2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Andersson and Poirier for Pinto, 21 and Sogaard?

That'd be the #2 goalie replacement for Vlad.

I don't know.

Is there a reason you think we need to add to get that return?

Not just you, but I have seen a few suggestions we add in ++ that is Mews or Bruz when the player coming back isn't even that good.

Mews or Bruz should be in a package for a guy like Rantanen. Poirier isn't the same level but good AHL player right now.

[Badgers Nose]

It would be the most anti-flame thing ever to trade Ras for Pinto and 21OA and finish the draft with 4 new centres (Pinto and three draftees). Do it Connie!

Immediate help and three guys that will develop at their own pace and dovetail into the lineup over the next 3-5 years. Love it!

[Macho0978]

Ottawa forfeited their 1st next year rather than this draft. They probably want to load up. They probably will want to keep Pinto as well.

Flames should just take 21 for Rasmus.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Ottawa forfeited their 1st next year rather than this draft. They probably want to load up. They probably will want to keep Pinto as well.

Flames should just take 21 for Rasmus.

That is a bad return.

I think a template has been set, we should get back at least 3 picks 1 of which is a 1st and I wouldn't mind it being the 27 1st based on the history of Ottawa.

It gives you more ammo going into the new arena to make a play for a star player, you can deal 1st in 27 and 28 top 10 protected.

[Electricprez]

I'd be pleased with getting Pinto.
You never know who pans out or how far they can go; Flames could do worse for Ras.

[Toonage]

Good sized RHC, fits their age range. So long as he’s keeping his nose clean, it looks like a good fit.

[Badgers Nose]

Does salary retention get Pinto and 21OA without giving anything else up?

OTT can shore up D while keeping room to get some more help. Maybe Marchand so that they can get by TOR next off season. LOL

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

It would be the most anti-flame thing ever to trade Ras for Pinto and 21OA and finish the draft with 4 new centres (Pinto and three draftees). Do it Connie!

Immediate help and three guys that will develop at their own pace and dovetail into the lineup over the next 3-5 years. Love it!

That was the Treliving way.

I remember getting D. Hamilton for the 15th, 45th, and 52nd picks in 2015 a couple of hours before the draft, and then drafting Andersson(53), and Kylington(60) with the first 2 picks.

[Knut]

I don’t know. Pinto is kind of a gamble.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Is there a reason you think we need to add to get that return?

Not just you, but I have seen a few suggestions we add in ++ that is Mews or Bruz when the player coming back isn't even that good.

Mews or Bruz should be in a package for a guy like Rantanen. Poirier isn't the same level but good AHL player right now.

I don't see Poirier having a future in CGY. And as valuable Andersson may be 21 and Pinto carry a lot of value and in my deal they also acquire Sogaard as a potential #2 for Wolf. Which the Sens have really depth at goaltender.

If you're one stop shopping returns to make the best for both teams, I think this is the sweet spot.

Say it's more about giving a player a chance elsewhere to catch on.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Knut

I don’t know. Pinto is kind of a gamble.

The Flames are never going to get a 100% established sure fire 1st line center unless they draft in the top 5.


That leaves them with two other options.

1. take risks trading for young players who have not broken out yet.
2. trying to make a contender without a top center, and likely fail because it has never been done.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That is a bad return.

I think a template has been set, we should get back at least 3 picks 1 of which is a 1st and I wouldn't mind it being the 27 1st based on the history of Ottawa.

It gives you more ammo going into the new arena to make a play for a star player, you can deal 1st in 27 and 28 top 10 protected.

Maybe you are right, but I just don't think Rasmus is that good.

I also think Conroy should go for picks down the road as we have a log jam of good players right now. I like the option for trying to snag an unprotected 1st in 27 or 28 as well.

I think that this is the best way to get the big return. Teams always seem to value picks now over future picks. Teams that have forfeited picks always seen to keep the current years pick. Devils could have given up a 1st the year they went to the finals, they kept it and forfeited a pick later that was much better. Ottawa just did something similar in a year they made the playoffs.

Getting 1st down the road gives you assets when thing could be turning around and also is good protection if the rebuild doesn't go well

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Knut

I don’t know. Pinto is kind of a gamble.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Knut

I don’t know. Pinto is kind of a gamble.

I really don't see him in the deal. He's cheap and they forfeited their 1st. They need to fill the roster.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Knut

I don’t know. Pinto is kind of a gamble.

Pretty much any center acquisition the Flames could make is a gamble. Unless they're selling the farm for a player nobody is willing to part with, the Pintos and Cozens and Frosts of the world are the pool of players they're shopping from.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think though people get too caught up in slotting players on a line up that's a work in progress. Pinto and Frost are similar, agreed. Long term do you want both.....maybe not (or maybe you do depending how the develop). But as is being pointed out, neither are slam dunks, they are work in progresses or maybe just middle line players.

But I doubt Conroy is acquiring either of Frost or hypothetically Pinto because he's trying to shore up our 2b or 3 line centers of the future (although that may very well be the outcome). I assume he's acquiring them because his scouts see greater potential in them vs. what they are currently putting up and sees the opportunity to get an undervalued asset.

You acquire more than 1 Frost / Pinto at this point in the teams development curve because you aren't putting your eggs in one basket. You acknowledge that one or both might not develop into what you hope they can be, but you are giving yourself a greater opportunity to "find" a future 2, 1B or even 1A centre if one them lives up to the potential your scouts see. In these scenarios, you acquire multiple assets (if you can) that fit that description, in hopes that one really works out. You don't just acquire one Frost and hope, you acquire multiple and increase your chances. Essentially, you are hoping at least one becomes a "reverse Bennette" for us. If not, and you end up with a 3c log jam, you keep one and move on from the other.

But there is only so much ice time and salary cap

Pinto and Frost both need to be paid in the next 16 months . If you are paying them 6-7 million each and Kadri 7.5 , all of a sudden you are paying 21 million for your top 3 centers with no real #1 and arguably a #2 and two #3s

That’s the problem with acquiring 24-26 year olds . They aren’t actually that young and into their prime earning year , while the Flames are many seasons away from contending base case scenario .

Pinto at 24 years old is a lot better then Frost at 26 (plus I think he’s better) but we only have so much ice time to go around

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I really don't see him in the deal. He's cheap and they forfeited their 1st. They need to fill the roster.

OK fine, Cozens.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

The Flames are never going to get a 100% established sure fire 1st line center unless they draft in the top 5.

Originally Posted by dammage79

Pretty much any center acquisition the Flames could make is a gamble.

[gvitaly]

Frost + Andersson for Cozens who says no?

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Frost + Andersson for Cozens who says no?

probably the sens
they just acquired cozens