2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Easy yes to both. I'd do andersson straight for sillinger. Imo 22>14 is a good swap. Then we see if Buffalo will do 14+32 for 9

Why would Buffalo do that?

I wouldn’t be surprised to see them have 9OA on the market, but I bet it is for an NHL player, not mid/late first round picks. Teams that typically move down in the draft usually do so because their system is lean. Buffalo doesn’t have that issue.

If anything they have too many young players and not enough vets/leadership particularly those who can be one of their best on-ice leaders. The three players the Flames would have to offer would be Andersson, Coleman, and Kadri. I doubt, very much, any of them waive to go to Buffalo. Even if you expand that list to include Weegar, Huberdeau, or Backlund, I don’t think any of them agree to go.

Or, Buffalo asks for a young player with no trade protection. If I’m Buffalo and the Flames want 9OA, I’m asking for Coronato. If that’s a ‘no’ I’m asking for Zary.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Puckpedia has the value of
18+22 getting you to 9 (so MAYBE 10/11 factoring in real life)
18+32 gets you to 12

Does puckpedia take into account who is drafting at 9 and what their needs are and the available talent pool/positional strength of the draft?

Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see it but I’m doubtful Buffalo sees their organization and says to themselves ‘we need to restock the cupboards’.

[CliffFletcher]

People around here are going to be disappointed by the return for Andersson. I expect he’ll get something equivalent to a late 1st + a 2nd.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People around here are going to be disappointed by the return for Andersson. I expect he’ll get something equivalent to a late 1st + a 2nd.

He could get a Nick Jensen type return (a very good, younger established player and a pick). That would be a reasonable model. Don’t know if the Blues want him but something like Kyrou and a 3rd would be another model following the Jensen trade model.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People around here are going to be disappointed by the return for Andersson. I expect he’ll get something equivalent to a late 1st + a 2nd.

Ahh, the everyone is going to be disappointed at the return post, a CP tradition!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People around here are going to be disappointed by the return for Andersson. I expect he’ll get something equivalent to a late 1st + a 2nd.

Honestly, that’s not a bad return for a pending UFA who probably slots as a 3, maybe a 2, on a contender.

What I’m wondering/hoping is can the Flames trade Andersson + to move up in the draft and get a legitimate C prospect. Especially if McQueen, O’Brien, or maybe Martin are available.

Thinking NYR, Columbus, or Detroit to be specific.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People around here are going to be disappointed by the return for Andersson. I expect he’ll get something equivalent to a late 1st + a 2nd.

I think the bellwether will be what Toronto got for Carlo. If we get something similar, that’s a win. Anything less would be disappointing.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ahh, the everyone is going to be disappointed at the return post, a CP tradition!

I recall the same was said about Markstrom, and Hanifin etc.
Some people really undervalue our players, and to be honest I’m not really sure why.

The Columbus proposal is pretty fair, but it would be a swap of Andersson + Floridas pick for Sillinger and Columbus’s pick.

Often times as home team fans people look passed the “good” things about player X and seemingly devalue them based on the things they’ve hated about that player for a while. The issue is other teams value the player based on what they’ve done, value, age and growth in a new market/system.

Andersson has value, he was the hottest commodity pre-deadline and unfortunately Calgary didn’t entertain offers because they were certain they had a shot to make it and needed Andersson to be apart of it.

His worth, especially this last year is very high and I know there’s going to be interest going into the draft.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Royle9

The Columbus proposal is pretty fair, but it would be a swap of Andersson + Floridas pick for Sillinger and Columbus’s pick.

So you are saying there is a chance that the Flames could get a #1 centre with our 2011 first round pick after all (either Sillinger or the pick)?

Better late than never!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I recall the same was said about Markstrom, and Hanifin etc.
Some people really undervalue our players, and to be honest I’m not really sure why.

The Columbus proposal is pretty fair, but it would be a swap of Andersson + Floridas pick for Sillinger and Columbus’s pick.

Often times as home team fans people look passed the “good” things about player X and seemingly devalue them based on the things they’ve hated about that player for a while. The issue is other teams value the player based on what they’ve done, value, age and growth in a new market/system.

Andersson has value, he was the hottest commodity pre-deadline and unfortunately Calgary didn’t entertain offers because they were certain they had a shot to make it and needed Andersson to be apart of it.

His worth, especially this last year is very high and I know there’s going to be interest going into the draft.

Any idea of the Flames are trying to move up in the draft? I’m sure it flies without saying, yes, but wondering if this is something they are actively pursuing and if the opportunity exists. Ie; other teams just might not have interest in doing so, or in what the Flames can offer.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

So you are saying there is a chance that the Flames could get a #1 centre with our 2011 first round pick after all (either Sillinger or the pick)?

Better late than never!

Honest question, is there anything that would suggest Sillinger is a 1C, or has that potential?

I don’t watch the Jackets often, or ever, but it seems to me to be a long shot, at best.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honest question, is there anything that would suggest Sillinger is a 1C, or has that potential?

I don’t watch the Jackets often, or ever, but it seems to me to be a long shot, at best.

IMO No, he is not progressing like a Rossi is (at least in his NHL numbers).

[ForeverFlameFan]

With Andersson’s cap hit, ability to play top pairing (obviously better as a #3 but STILL can play as #2), and a right handed defenseman, leads me to believe he will fetch a pretty good return. With the way the exit interview went I do think he could be the guy out the door. If he is willing to take a discount, say 7.5 x 8, I have no issue signing him to 38 with the cap going up and his ability to play up and down in the top 4. However, it does make more sense (I’d say 70/30) to trade him. I trust Conroy to make the right move.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

IMO No, he is not progressing like a Rossi is (at least in his NHL numbers).

Yeah, for sure. That’s clear.

I guess my question is there a road block in Columbus working against Sillinger? Doesn’t seem like that is the case. Even if they shifted him to the wing, it sounds like Voronkov, Johnson and others are ahead of him on the depth chart.

All this to say it seems pretty unlikely a change of scenery is going to unlock this supposed 1C.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I recall the same was said about Markstrom, and Hanifin etc.
Some people really undervalue our players, and to be honest I’m not really sure why.

Go back and read the trade speculation around those guys on this board. Almost all of the proposals were for far higher value than either ended up returning. Dealing Markstrom for NJD’s 2024 1st + Mercer + Casey was a popular one.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=23276

And in Feb last year, someone suggesting a return for Hanifin of VGK’s 2025 1st and 3rd and Miromanov would have been called out as a Debbie Downer. A proposed deal with TBL for Howard + Gautier + Lilleberg + a 2nd (1st if Hanifin signed) was dismissed as meh.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=23288

I honestly don’t think there was a single speculated Markstrom or Hanifin deal on this board for less than what the Flames ended up getting for those guys.

[PepsiFree]

It’s not controversial to suggest people are going to be disappointed by the Andersson return, but only if you acknowledge there is almost always a handful of people disappointed by every return.

Might as well say “when Andersson is traded, some people will be happy and some people won’t be.”

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yeah, for sure. That’s clear.

I guess my question is there a road block in Columbus working against Sillinger? Doesn’t seem like that is the case. Even if they shifted him to the wing, it sounds like Voronkov, Johnson and others are ahead of him on the depth chart.

All this to say it seems pretty unlikely a change of scenery is going to unlock this supposed 1C.

For me the path for the Flames is the same one that Conroy has taken for two years now. Continue to accumulate young assets, maybe try to trade for distressed assets if you think they can pop and I hope maybe add a third element which would be try to hit home runs with elite UFAs like Marner by using the abundance of cap space that the team has. Not sure if Conroy will go the UFA route but I do feel like he will continue to do the first two.

If you look at the Mangiapane trade and the Frost/Farabee trade he was doing both of the first two.

He trades Mangiapane for what will be something like the 55th pick in this years draft.

In a separate deal he trades Pelletier (a winger from a position of strength), a pending UFA he won’t sign, a 7th rounder and the 48th pick for Frost and Farabee.

He basically off loaded a player he was not going to sign (Mang) for futures. He saw two players who were younger and he hoped could pop in Calgary and used almost equivalent draft capital.

Taken together the trades ends up being almost a scenario where nothing changed on the draft capital front and the Flames move out Mang, Kuz and Pelletier for Frost and Farabee.

I think the path to a number one center is likely one where the Flames accumulate such a wealth of assets at other positions that look like NHL talent that they can do a 3 for 1 type deal. Right now it looks like the Flames may have on the roster and in the system 10-12 wingers that could play at the NHL level and probably 7-8 potential NHL dmen. Eventually they may be able to pull a 3 for 1 type Eichel trade for a number one center.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Go back and read the trade speculation around those guys on this board. Almost all of the proposals were for far higher value than either ended up returning. Dealing Markstrom for NJD’s 2024 1st + Mercer + Casey was a popular one.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=23276

And in Feb last year, someone suggesting a return for Hanifin of VGK’s 2025 1st and 3rd and Miromanov would have been called out as a Debbie Downer. A proposed deal with TBL for Howard + Gautier + Lilleberg + a 2nd (1st if Hanifin signed) was dismissed as meh.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...ostcount=23288

I honestly don’t think there was a single speculated Markstrom or Hanifin deal on this board for less than what the Flames ended up getting for those guys.

I don't think we should be surprised that there are some that think they'll get more than they ended up getting.

But that doesn't represent the site, nor does it even represent the majority.

I know I would have been happy with a 1st of any kind of Markstrom because it would give them a better chance of developing Wolf and finishing down the standings.

Bahl was a vanilla add that turned into a great add.

The Hanifin trade had many of us tempered with all the agent speak hurting his market value.

I was disappointed at first but then buoyed by the fact the pick was in a better draft year and unprotected.

The Lindholm trade blew me away.

The Tanev trade felt a bit disappointing.

But CP as a collective nor even the majority is pie in the sky when it comes to trade value.

[Jason14h]

The problem with the 3-1 is teams getting the 3 want 18-20 year old prospects or 21-22 year old established good players who could turn into stars

Frosts and Farabees of the world are already mid 20s and making 5+ million

If one pops you aren’t trading them , and if they don’t they have next to no value to teams for the type of players you want

This is my only issue with the collecting of assets approach - it’s great if they are 20-22 . When they are mid 20s the ability to repackage in a 3-1 type deal are very low IMO, whereas prospects that are showing potential are exciting to teams in trades

This is why I would have preferred keeping our 2nd, trading Kuz for a 3rd , and having more picks in this years draft (I also wish they didn’t sign Shags and dealt him for picks as a UFA)

These types of players aren’t bad , but they just don’t have spots on good teams / teams going for it , and aren’t desirable for rebuilding teams . They are really just good filler players for teams stuck in the middle

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

For me the path for the Flames is the same one that Conroy has taken for two years now. Continue to accumulate young assets, maybe try to trade for distressed assets if you think they can pop and I hope maybe add a third element which would be try to hit home runs with elite UFAs like Marner by using the abundance of cap space that the team has. Not sure if Conroy will go the UFA route but I do feel like he will continue to do the first two.

If you look at the Mangiapane trade and the Frost/Farabee trade he was doing both of the first two.

He trades Mangiapane for what will be something like the 55th pick in this years draft.

In a separate deal he trades Pelletier (a winger from a position of strength), a pending UFA he won’t sign, a 7th rounder and the 48th pick for Frost and Farabee.

He basically off loaded a player he was not going to sign (Mang) for futures. He saw two players who were younger and he hoped could pop in Calgary and used almost equivalent draft capital.

Taken together the trades ends up being almost a scenario where nothing changed on the draft capital front and the Flames move out Mang, Kuz and Pelletier for Frost and Farabee.

I think the path to a number one center is likely one where the Flames accumulate such a wealth of assets at other positions that look like NHL talent that they can do a 3 for 1 type deal. Right now it looks like the Flames may have on the roster and in the system 10-12 wingers that could play at the NHL level and probably 7-8 potential NHL dmen. Eventually they may be able to pull a 3 for 1 type Eichel trade for a number one center.

3 for 1 deals are so rare though. I don’t think we can bank on a deal like that coming up. Especially with players having trade protection which in most cases, works against us.

If we can develop or acquire play driving wingers like Rantanen, we just need C that can play alongside them. Like iginla. We had savard and Conny who were no means first line C but could keep up with iggy. Ideally, get the first line C in the draft but have to develop elite talent everywhere in the lineup, not just at C.