2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

I through out a massive Hughes to the Devils deal a while ago and have been thinking about adding the Islanders to have an epic 3 way trade.

NJ trades: Mercer, Nemec, Silayev, 1st 26
NJ receives: Hughes

Van trades: Pettersson, Hughes
Van receives: Barzal, Dobson, Mercer, Silayev

NYI trade: Barzal, Dobson
NYI receives: Pettersson, Nemec, 26 1st (Devils)

Thoughts on value?

[Tbull8]

The value is probably pretty close (smaller pieces likely even things out) but I just doubt anything that big is ever agreed upon between 3 teams. Just never happens in the NHL

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Mitch Marner is a much much better player than Barzal. He probably also would be a better center or at least have a higher faceoff win percentage. Barzal probably costs you 3 assets, Marner costs you none. There is almost no world where an extra 3.8 million for Marner (4% of the cap and dropping) for a team that does not have cap problems is worth an inferior player and losing 3 assets.

Even if Marner is a better idea than Barzal, that doesn't make Marner a good idea.

The right answer here is neither of these guys.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

The value is probably pretty close (smaller pieces likely even things out) but I just doubt anything that big is ever agreed upon between 3 teams. Just never happens in the NHL

Looking at it and the pieces don't have to directly move from NJ or NYI.

So it's more just two separate trades, than it is a three team deal:

IMO For a NJD and Canucks trade it wouldn't be both Nemec and Silayev IMO - it's one or the other, but one of the veteran d-men gets added.

Hughes

for

Mercer, Siegenthaler (NJD would need to shed one of Hamilton, Pesce, Dillon,. Siegenthaler, or Kovacevic), Nemec, and 2026 1st.

Then I actually don't think they move for Dobson.

Pettersson

for

Barzal
Cap Dump (One of Duclair or Engvall)

But man IMO that Canucks team would be pretty ugly if they make those trades.

If they lose Miller, Boeser, Pettersson, and Hughes 18 months that is a Flames level dismantling.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Even if Marner is a better idea than Barzal, that doesn't make Marner a good idea.

The right answer here is neither of these guys.

I agree with this. But Barzal could be a cheap pick up and a late 1st is only valuable if you make a good pick. Marner probably would need to be offered more than 13 to pick Calgary too

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I agree with this. But Barzal could be a cheap pick up and a late 1st is only valuable if you make a good pick. Marner probably would need to be offered more than 13 to pick Calgary too

After last year's draft I want to give the Flames as many picks as possible this draft. I wish we could convert some vets or log jam guys into lots of picks. That would help us draft earlier next year too (probably).

If Flames can get more picks and reproduce the 2024 draft this year then pencil us in for Cup contention in about 5 years.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I through out a massive Hughes to the Devils deal a while ago and have been thinking about adding the Islanders to have an epic 3 way trade.

NJ trades: Mercer, Nemec, Silayev, 1st 26
NJ receives: Hughes

Van trades: Pettersson, Hughes
Van receives: Barzal, Dobson, Mercer, Silayev

NYI trade: Barzal, Dobson
NYI receives: Pettersson, Nemec, 26 1st (Devils)

Thoughts on value?

I think the Isles are the wrong team, doubt they trade Dobson for Nemec and a 1st, assuming you're valuing Barzal and Pettersson the same. The Isles lose out on that deal.

I think the better team, if it is a 3 way deal, is NJ/VAN/BUF. Buffalo could give up either Power or Byram to Vancouver with Hughes going to NJ. A deal is definitely there if between these 3 if something happened.

[dissentowner]

Why are the Devils giving up a boatload of assets for a guy they can sign for nothing in two years?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Based on what I said with VAN/NJ/BUF, I would probably say the deal would go down like this:

To NJ: Quinn Hughes
To VAN: Siegenthaler, Nemec, Mercer, 2026 1st (NJD)

To VAN: Byram
To BUF: Nemec + 2026 1st (NJD)

Vancouver rolls with Byram - Hronek and Siegenthaler - X for middle pairing. I thought about Pettersson to Buffalo, but Buffalo would have to add a lot more (like Benson++) but I think Vancouver is dumb enough to keep Pettersson with an NMC down the road. Their only chance is to deal him before July 1st to anyone before the NMC kicks in.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Why are the Devils giving up a boatload of assets for a guy they can sign for nothing in two years?

Because their window is open now (or at least it should be), and Quinn Hughes will not be 7.85m forever. At this rate with the way he plays he is likely making nearly double that salary as a continuous Norris-level player. Even if they could get him for free it would be advantageous to grab a d man of Quinn's caliber for 2 years and maybe some retention attached by Vancouver if they could get a haul.

[bluejays]

Sorry, may have missed recent discussions but why would Vancouver give up a franchise defenceman in Hughes, for almost anyone? Whether they're rebuilding or going for it, he's a young franchise guy. No chance they deal him for anything.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Sorry, may have missed recent discussions but why would Vancouver give up a franchise defenceman in Hughes, for almost anyone? Whether they're rebuilding or going for it, he's a young franchise guy. No chance they deal him for anything.

Then they'll enjoy watching him walk. Vancouver is no contender, super volatile, and a team that has zero chemistry whatsoever. Why would he stay there? Vancouver should cut the cord. As Flames fans we HOPE they continue to go downhill, and I believe they will because they're too stubborn to actually rebuild like Toronto did a decade ago.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Sorry, may have missed recent discussions but why would Vancouver give up a franchise defenceman in Hughes, for almost anyone? Whether they're rebuilding or going for it, he's a young franchise guy. No chance they deal him for anything.

Because he likely wants to go play with his bros

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Because he likely wants to go play with his bros

Well there isn't much likely about it. Allvin kind of admitted to the media that Quinn told him this himself.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

After last year's draft I want to give the Flames as many picks as possible this draft. I wish we could convert some vets or log jam guys into lots of picks. That would help us draft earlier next year too (probably).

If Flames can get more picks and reproduce the 2024 draft this year then pencil us in for Cup contention in about 5 years.

I'd love the flames do be very aggressive towards trying to get more unprotected 1sts even if they have to wait 2 years to get that pick.

Rasmus Anderson 50% retained for 4th in 2025 and conditional 1st in 26. If the team signs Anderson or a different condition if the team makes the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2026, the pick transfers to an unprotected 2027 1st. I also like the condition in 2026 if the team chooses to trade the pick, it's a unprotected 2027 1st, similar to Vegas trade. Teams like Vegas can't resist dealing that pick and taking the chance to win now.

I'd love to see Conroy spread out his picks over the next 3 years and get less in return in prospects to go for an unprotected 1st in 2 years. I think the Flames will have prospects knocking on the door every year over the next couple seasons and I doubt they would ever go into 1 season with more than a few rookies. Too many prospects at once isn't always a good thing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

You can no longer have conditions tied to a player signing or not, so that would be off the table. I don't disagree with the broader point.

[gvitaly]

^ Yeah, would've been great if we could add such a condition to the Hanifin trade. I'm still disappointed by how the whole thing played out.

[Vinny01]

Vancouver now has a similar feel as the Flames from 2022 where all of a sudden after some unexpected success it seems like everyone wants out. When the Flames had their homegrown franchise players walk/demand a trade they had the option to enter a rebuild the year before a highly touted draft. Florida offered them some very high end vets in need of a new contract for their then 24 year old superstar and they made that move, and traded a future first to dump an often injured but beloved player to sign a 32 year old to a 7x7 deal. The result is the Flames had 2 seasons of 93 and 96pts that resulted in the 16th pick and one season where things went poorly and they picked 9th.

Vancouver has the option to pull the pin on this team and trade Hughes, Pettersson and Demko for futures in hopes of getting some high picks and futures to start over. Like Calgary the Canucks owner hates rebuilding and they are not far removed from top 10 picks and have only made the playoffs 2x in the last decade with one of those runs happening in the Covid bubble.

Vancouver is a very interesting team to watch this summer

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Vancouver now has a similar feel as the Flames from 2022 where all of a sudden after some unexpected success it seems like everyone wants out. When the Flames had their homegrown franchise players walk/demand a trade they had the option to enter a rebuild the year before a highly touted draft. Florida offered them some very high end vets in need of a new contract for their then 24 year old superstar and they made that move, and traded a future first to dump an often injured but beloved player to sign a 32 year old to a 7x7 deal. The result is the Flames had 2 seasons of 93 and 96pts that resulted in the 16th pick and one season where things went poorly and they picked 9th.

Vancouver has the option to pull the pin on this team and trade Hughes, Pettersson and Demko for futures in hopes of getting some high picks and futures to start over. Like Calgary the Canucks owner hates rebuilding and they are not far removed from top 10 picks and have only made the playoffs 2x in the last decade with one of those runs happening in the Covid bubble.

Vancouver is a very interesting team to watch this summer

The problem is you are probably selling very low on both EP and Demko.

Tough spot for sure.

[traptor]

Canucks have an okay team and a true all star in Hughes.


I think you have ti cut bait with Demko. Hes an amazing goalie but with his injury, he can't be a 1. Even relying on him to be a 1b and play 40 seems risky.


EP is tricky and I think it comes down to offers. If you can get a top 6 forward/ blue chip prospect back, you have to consider it. I dont think you can sell him for pennies. Better to wait and hop he matures.


No way I'm trading Hughes until he forces out. He will literally go down as the best D man the Canucks have ever had.