2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Paulie Walnuts]

9.15M for a 28 year old RW/C is a bad idea. We need a real legit center not another Lindholm type who looks to have issues staying healthy.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

9.15M for a 28 year old RW/C is a bad idea. We need a real legit center not another Lindholm type who looks to have issues staying healthy.

And he would cost real assets. Conroy has shown no appetite for trading real assets for anything other than futures and has basically avoided trading the type of draft capital one would have to trade for Barzal.

I don’t have a problem getting Marner but that is a move that I could at least see Conroy doing (a free asset) and then trading Anderson (and possibly Backlund and/or Lomberg) for more future assets next season if they are not in the hunt or in Anderson’s case if he won’t re-sign.

Conroy has ran the same plan for basically two years (accumulate young prospects and picks). Suspect he more or less runs that for another year or two. Only possibly exception is if he can snag an elite asset on the free agent market.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by WickerChicken

ppg

2017-18 1.04
2018-19 0.76
2019-20 0.88
2020-21 0.82
2021-22 0.81
2022-23 0.88
2023-24 1.00
2024-25 0.67

I rest my case. Two seasons at PPG (one was as a rookie), the rest between 55-72 points.

I think people here are fascinated by him pretty much just because Calgary could have drafted him but for the Hamilton trade. Which turned out pretty well for Calgary.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Barzal is a 42% on the dot center who does not really take draws or play center. He is a winger, he has not consistently played center in either of the last two seasons. He could play RW with Frost though.

And that lines up with Horvat moving to NYI. The 2 play together, only 1 can center. Just because they added Horvat and want both to play together as they play well together...doesn't mean he is not a center.

Sign Marner for $13 mil or trade assets for Barzel at $9 mil. Marner isn't going to be an option, but cap space is just as much an asset as draft picks. Odds of drafting a top 6 forward, top 4 d or #1 goalie past the top 20 is around 10%. 9 times out of 10, late 1sts are just depth.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

And that lines up with Horvat moving to NYI. The 2 play together, only 1 can center. Just because they added Horvat and want both to play together as they play well together...doesn't mean he is not a center.

Sign Marner for $13 mil or trade assets for Barzel at $9 mil. Marner isn't going to be an option, but cap space is just as much an asset as draft picks. Odds of drafting a top 6 forward, top 4 d or #1 goalie past the top 20 is around 10%. 9 times out of 10, late 1sts are just depth.

This doesn’t line up with Horvat in any way. Barzal has not been a centre in at least 5 years from what I looked up this morning. He has consistently been a distant 5th or 6th on the team in draws taken. Unless he is playing centre and not taking draws, he’s been a winger for NYI for many years

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just because teams have centers playing wing doesn't mean they are going to trade them.

When you have that type od depth you try to work with it, not look at giving it away that is why its so hard getting players at that premium position.

When you get a chance at winning I think players are willing to move from C to W. It is a much easier transition to make. Why do you think Team Canada take so many centers.

In this day and age with linespeople trying to be the show of the game, it doesn't hurt having 2 guys that can take faceoffs.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by HitterD

This doesn’t line up with Horvat in any way. Barzal has not been a centre in at least 5 years from what I looked up this morning. He has consistently been a distant 5th or 6th on the team in draws taken. Unless he is playing centre and not taking draws, he’s been a winger for NYI for many years

I don't know if that means he has been a winger the last 5 years. He has brutal at faceoffs, so having the winger take draws probably makes sense especially if they are good at them. Colorado does that with Mack as well since he is brutal at faceoffs.

Remember Iggy taking a lot of faceoffs as well. He was really good at them.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't know if that means he has been a winger the last 5 years. He has brutal at faceoffs, so having the winger take draws probably makes sense especially if they are good at them. Colorado does that with Mack as well since he is brutal at faceoffs.

Remember Iggy taking a lot of faceoffs as well. He was really good at them.

Yeah honestly I did consider this, and happy to be corrected if anyone knows of a way to check whether he is in fact a centre but not taking draws (I know this happens from time to time)

Even still, if that is the case, the last thing the Flames need is to acquire a center who can’t take draws, as it has been a weak spot for the team already

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by HitterD

This doesn’t line up with Horvat in any way. Barzal has not been a centre in at least 5 years from what I looked up this morning. He has consistently been a distant 5th or 6th on the team in draws taken. Unless he is playing centre and not taking draws, he’s been a winger for NYI for many years

The year before Horvat was traded to NYI

4th in face offs
Top linemates were Bailey and Lee (wingers)

Both of them had over 100 face offs

Nelson and Barzal played 13 mins together.

Cizikas and Pageau were the other centers. He played 21 with Pageau and 7 with Cizikas.

He played center that year and moved to the win when Horvat was traded to NYI

[codynw]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I rest my case. Two seasons at PPG (one was as a rookie), the rest between 55-72 points.

Keep in mind he plays for the Islanders though. I’m not saying he’s someone the Flames should be targeting, but I also really think Barzal would pop off if he went to another team with more offensive talent.

[traptor]

I know it's been said again and again but look at the forwards still in the playoffs:


Barkov
Tkachuk
McD
Drai
Rantanen
Aho


We need these caliber of players and probably should probably be saving our assets to find this type of player.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by codynw

Keep in mind he plays for the Islanders though. I’m not saying he’s someone the Flames should be targeting, but I also really think Barzal would pop off if he went to another team with more offensive talent.

That definitely is not the Flames.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by codynw

Keep in mind he plays for the Islanders though. I’m not saying he’s someone the Flames should be targeting, but I also really think Barzal would pop off if he went to another team with more offensive talent.

Nah. Flames already have Huby and don't need the injury prone, lesser version.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by traptor

I know it's been said again and again but look at the forwards still in the playoffs:


Barkov
Tkachuk
McD
Drai
Rantanen
Aho


We need these caliber of players and probably should probably be saving our assets to find this type of player.

Yup, and the good news is two of those guys have been traded (one twice in a season). Once we have a great foundation and lots of assets, and the team is ready to take a step, maybe we can get our elite guy.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Nah. Flames already have Huby and don't need the injury prone, lesser version.

Idk how he's the lesser version, he's a completely different type of player. All speed and skill. Im fully on board if he's available. He has always seemed like a guy who is being wasted in their defense first system there. A fresh start in Western Canada could be a nice buy low opportunity

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Idk how he's the lesser version, he's a completely different type of player. All speed and skill. Im fully on board if he's available. He has always seemed like a guy who is being wasted in their defense first system there. A fresh start in Western Canada could be a nice buy low opportunity

Buy low? 6 years at 9.15M AAV is not buy low.

And the Flames play a system that hsi offensive skills can flourish?

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Buy low? 6 years at 9.15M AAV is not buy low.

And the Flames play a system that hsi offensive skills can flourish?

Buy low as in not when he's coming off 80 points the year before...

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Yup, and the good news is two of those guys have been traded (one twice in a season). Once we have a great foundation and lots of assets, and the team is ready to take a step, maybe we can get our elite guy.

Yup, we just need to turn into a warm weather southern based team that is a player destination when they get to choose their own destiny, or tank for 14 years.

Spoiler!

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

And that lines up with Horvat moving to NYI. The 2 play together, only 1 can center. Just because they added Horvat and want both to play together as they play well together...doesn't mean he is not a center.

Sign Marner for $13 mil or trade assets for Barzel at $9 mil. Marner isn't going to be an option, but cap space is just as much an asset as draft picks. Odds of drafting a top 6 forward, top 4 d or #1 goalie past the top 20 is around 10%. 9 times out of 10, late 1sts are just depth.

Mitch Marner is a much much better player than Barzal. He probably also would be a better center or at least have a higher faceoff win percentage. Barzal probably costs you 3 assets, Marner costs you none. There is almost no world where an extra 3.8 million for Marner (4% of the cap and dropping) for a team that does not have cap problems is worth an inferior player and losing 3 assets.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by MrMike

Yup, we just need to turn into a warm weather southern based team that is a player destination when they get to choose their own destiny, or tank for 14 years.

Spoiler!

We haven't had trouble attracting players, and I don't think it will be an issue bringing them in via trade and keeping them or signing free agents. When the money is the same and you have a good young team with winning you can get those guys.