[Rumour] Dailyfaceoff: Flames might go big game hunting this summer

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dino7c

What? Who are they
19M isnt happening, maybe for 1 year lol

Whoever wrote the article implied they would be offering wll north of what Rantanen got with out 18M in space.

[Sylvanfan]

I'd rather overpay one Marner than stack on 3 more Geekie, Ehlers, and Bourque for a similar sum. Macho08 said it in another thread. The Flames can find their own guys at that level. They can't seem to find many guys who are a step up. Keep the best picks and if you can't get the cream of the crop...cobble together what you can with cap dumps and see if you can get a misfit group of motivated outcasts on short term deals.

Unless you can get a real star, I'd be hesitant to tie up too much term on any incoming players. Even for a so called star...I'm still suffering some Huberdeau PTSD.

[FlamesAddiction]

I definitely wouldn't go long term at $18 or $19 million. I like Marner, but he shouldn't be paid like he is the best player in the league.

He is unlikely to be a 100 point player again, probably more of a PPG player. Even with the cap going up, that should be more in the $10 - 13 million range with the Canada tax.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Mitch Marner as a 50 point guy LOL. He has much more consistent production than Huberdeau ever did. His last 5 years pro rated for 82 games are

24/25 - 103 points
23/24 - 101 points
22/23 - 101 points
21/22 - 110 points
20/21 - 100 points

Mitch Marner would play well on a team that may have generational offensive talent on the backend. If a team had an elite offensive dman who would join the rush and has scored at every level that guy would completely pop with Marner. Marner would also play well with any shooter that has a great shot (Coronato, Sharnagovich) probably being able to set those guys up as well. Marner would also provide a major boost for the powerplay. When you add that he is arguably the best defensive winger in the NHL it seems like a no brainer to at least try to get him.

I don't disagree with you, but using prior performance, especially when Marner has been playing with Matthews, Nylander and Tavares his whole career is a bit of a dangerous path. I would say his success isn't a result of Reilly, but the three other 80-110pt forwards he's been stapled to his entire career. Lets say we do get him, as much as everyone would love it, I highly doubt he comes anywhere close to putting up 90-100pts a season with the Flames just purely based on the personnel we have.

Huberdeau was 29 (almost the same age as Marner now) prior to being traded here and had prorated stats of:
17/18 - 69
18/19 - 92
19/20 - 93
20/21 - 91
21/22 - 118

22/23 - 57 WTF
23/24 - 53 WTF

Nobody in their right minds would of expected him to turn into a 55-65pt player literally overnight. Not saying that's going to happen to Marner, but we are literally paying Huberdeau $10.5M for another 6 seasons. Worst case scenario, could you imagine paying $14M+ for a 60-70pt Marner till his mid 30s? Upside is he continues being a 90-100pt 2way force on the Flames while making $14M - question is does Conroy want to take that risk and are we even in the right timeframe to be offering that kind of contract to any player

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Would that seriously be his market value?

I could see it being around 12 per because of FA. But not much higher.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Would that seriously be his market value?

I could see it being around 12 per because of FA. But not much higher.

Rantanen is at $12M, IMO that is Marner's ceiling. Obviously, UFA market can get crazy in terms of bidding wars and overpaying players on July01 in general, but I'd wager if you asked league insiders, 90% of them would prefer Rantanen as a player over Marner.

[Sylvanfan]

This year on the open market...I could see 15.5 or more from someone. This Cap stagnation from the past 5 years is gone. There's plenty of capspace league wide.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Mitch Marner as a 50 point guy LOL. He has much more consistent production than Huberdeau ever did. His last 5 years pro rated for 82 games are

24/25 - 103 points
23/24 - 101 points
22/23 - 101 points
21/22 - 110 points
20/21 - 100 points

Mitch Marner would play well on a team that may have generational offensive talent on the backend. If a team had an elite offensive dman who would join the rush and has scored at every level that guy would completely pop with Marner. Marner would also play well with any shooter that has a great shot (Coronato, Sharnagovich) probably being able to set those guys up as well. Marner would also provide a major boost for the powerplay. When you add that he is arguably the best defensive winger in the NHL it seems like a no brainer to at least try to get him.

We don't get those years though.

In 4 years, when we are (hopefully) competitive, Marner will be 32 and is likely to be no better than a PPG player. Small, PPG (worth maybe $8-9M) and getting $14

Absolutely terrible signing, IMO.

[Icon]

I think he'll end up ~13.5x7 from Carolina

We'll hear Flames offered him more but he chose the Canes.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Icon

I think he'll end up ~13.5x7 from Carolina

We'll hear Flames offered him more but he chose the Canes.

Yeah that's how I see it too.

Strong spidey senses he ends up with the Canes.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Rantanen is at $12M, IMO that is Marner's ceiling. Obviously, UFA market can get crazy in terms of bidding wars and overpaying players on July01 in general, but I'd wager if you asked league insiders, 90% of them would prefer Rantanen as a player over Marner.

Rantanen left money on the table and also went to a tax free state

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

This year on the open market...I could see 15.5 or more from someone. This Cap stagnation from the past 5 years is gone. There's plenty of capspace league wide.

I feel that is what is being missed right now when people project contracts and why I love that Conroy is forking out money for Coronato and hopefully Zary, Frost before July 1. I feel like with the cap going up and the potential that it goes up big 3 years in a row, players are going to get paid.

Tons of teams that are middle of the pack with cap space, top teams with space and desperate teams with space. I could see any of the following throwing a massive number at Marner

LA
Minnesota
Detroit
Carolina
Vancouver
NYR
NJD
NYI
SJ
Chicago
Anaheim
Philly
Boston

All these teams have cap, are either teams that have players that might draw in Marner, markets that might be of interest for Marner or are desperate enough to throw stupid money at Marner. I see all these teams out bidding the Flames.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by traptor

Marner's not getting 19 anywhere lol.

14x7 would make him the highest paid player in the NHL by a decent chunk.

Not that many teams will be willing to offer that up.


The Flames are one that could.
Ducks, Sharks and Hawks could do it.

I could see the Canes making a good pitch after flipping Rantenen.

no it wouldn't, it wouldn't even be the biggest current contract

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Rantanen left money on the table and also went to a tax free state

That's fair. I will also add that something not really talked about, from a purchasing power perspective, making a USD salary while living in Canada also can't be understated. $14M USD is basically $20M CAD right now. Obviously there's volatility in that exchange rate but historically getting a 20% - 25% bump in CAD must be pretty nice.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Huberdeau was 29 (almost the same age as Marner now) prior to being traded here

To that point, Marner is going into his 28 year old season in 2025 where Huberdeau was going into his 29 year old season when he came to the Flames. Not a huge difference like you said.

I guess the question is how much money is one more peak production year for a player of that calibre. It's worth something, but it's hard to quantify exactly. I want to say if Huberdeau 3 years ago was worth a $10.5 million AAV, then Marner now 3 years later with one more peak year left (probably) should be worth $12-14 ballpark IMO.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dino7c

no it wouldn't, it wouldn't even be the biggest current contract

You're right. There's Drai who is 14x8.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The Marner contract would be bad on many levels as we are going to be paying him for what he did in Toronto, not what he will do here. He has likely hit his career highs. It is the same with Huberdeau we are paying for what he did.

You want deals like Coronato, or the ones we are about sign for Zary, Wolf, Bahl. Paying guys for what they are about to do and not at sky high prices. That is when you hope you hit the lottery balls and can bring in cheap superstart talent, worst case scenario you sign them as well and have a bigger contention window.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

That's fair. I will also add that something not really talked about, from a purchasing power perspective, making a USD salary while living in Canada also can't be understated. $14M USD is basically $20M CAD right now. Obviously there's volatility in that exchange rate but historically getting a 20% - 25% bump in CAD must be pretty nice.

I don't think their USD salary being worth to your point ~30% more CDN dollars makes a difference at all. Anything these folks buy (like luxury cars, expensive vacations etc.., and even staples like food) just cost more in CDN than they do in US. The exchange rate is fairly irrelevant, they just take home less of the money (due to taxes) if they live in Canada vs. the US.

[saillias]

think it would be best to be patient and if doing any "big game hunting" it would be for 2026 picks, getting younger, making hard decisions that might upset the apple cart with some veterans. standard rebuilding team stuff

[Royle9]

Flames were far more interested in Rantannen at the time than they are of Marner this summer.