[Rumour] Dailyfaceoff: Flames might go big game hunting this summer

[traptor]

Can we even afford Marner 14+ x 7 without shedding cap?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

Can we even afford Marner 14+ x 7 without shedding cap?

$28M in cap space. Bahl/Frost/Zary/Vladar left to sign. Wolf as well but that kicks in next season.

[Reggie Dunlop]

The key is to always overpromise, then underdeliver.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Minus Weegar, pushing your chips in on that group because they are getting mid 30's or over is the silliest thing ever and I can't see Conroy pushing for that. Most likely getting instructions from the man above.

No one credible, anywhere, has suggested he is "pushing his chips in".

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is a chance that our 1st is #1OA and we draft McKenna next year.

Signing Geekie - or anyone - to a contract that requires our 1st, risks losing out on McKenna. Do you want Geekie that badly?

If you want to offer up to $4.68M sure, go for it. But the 1st is absolutely off the table.

They should offer sheet him at $4,680,076 AAV but not go any higher, in my opinion. That way they only lose a 2nd round pick.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by traptor

Can we even afford Marner 14+ x 7 without shedding cap?

We want to shed Coleman anyway.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

There is a chance that our 1st is #1OA and we draft McKenna next year.

Signing Geekie - or anyone - to a contract that requires our 1st, risks losing out on McKenna. Do you want Geekie that badly?

If you want to offer up to $4.68M sure, go for it. But the 1st is absolutely off the table.

Imagine the gnashing of teeth that would go on all next season if the Flames did something like this... this year's agonizing over the Montreal/Monahan deal would seem like nothing.

[ComixZone]

There is no RFA worth risking our 2026 1st round pick on, period.

The downside is catastrophic, and the upside is limited. The fact that we have two 2026 1st round picks as it is? Awesome. If I were Conroy, I'd be trying to get another unprotected 1st round pick in 2026 in the Andersson trade too.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He also adds to our glut of middle 6 players, which we have plenty.

I think Coleman & Backlund have at most 1 more season as Flames.

I was talking about Marner sorry. He is probably good for 25-30 goals. We won’t find that goal scoring outside the roster. Coronato is our best bet to be that guy.

You don't pay 14M/yr for 25-30 goals. If we're looking to add a high-end skilled forward, it should be a goal scorer who can gel with Huberdeau and help get him back to being a 80+ point player.

If they shell out the big bucks for Marner, maybe he helps Coronato & others increase their goal totals. But on the other hand, you can pretty much forget about getting into the Makar sweepstakes, as our cap situation will likely make it impossible.

The worst possible scenario is to end up like San Jose and be trapped in cap purgatory for a decade.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

$28M in cap space. Bahl/Frost/Zary/Vladar left to sign. Wolf as well but that kicks in next season.

let's say

Bahl 6x5
Zary 2x3
Frost 1x3.5
Vladar 2x2.4
Kalpka 2x1


Then Marner 7x14.5


We would sneak just under the cap with some pocket change to spare

[Toonage]

Marner would be getting a whole lot more to play in Calgary IMO

The rumor was potentially a max contract and I think thats what it would take. So $19M a year.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

There is no RFA worth risking our 2026 1st round pick on, period.

The downside is catastrophic, and the upside is limited. The fact that we have two 2026 1st round picks as it is? Awesome. If I were Conroy, I'd be trying to get another unprotected 1st round pick in 2026 in the Andersson trade too.

What about the 2021 3rd overall pick, Mason McTavish?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by traptor

let's say

Bahl 6x5
Zary 2x3
Frost 1x3.5
Vladar 2x2.4
Kalpka 2x1


Then Marner 7x14.5


We would sneak just under the cap with some pocket change to spare

They suggested Calgary is ready to make a max offer so that is 19M so if we are speaking in hypotheticals we would have 8.75M to sign 5 players.

Now do I think he will get that no, he doesn't deserve a more than Rantanen who has more 100 point seasons is a superior playoff performer.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

No one credible, anywhere, has suggested he is "pushing his chips in".

I know. I said I don't believe tat all Conroy would be pushing his in for those players. If anyone would want to do that it would be Edwards.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I think Coleman & Backlund have at most 1 more season as Flames.



You don't pay 14M/yr for 25-30 goals. If we're looking to add a high-end skilled forward, it should be a goal scorer who can gel with Huberdeau and help get him back to being a 80+ point player.

If they shell out the big bucks for Marner, maybe he helps Coronato & others increase their goal totals. But on the other hand, you can pretty much forget about getting into the Makar sweepstakes, as our cap situation will likely make it impossible.

The worst possible scenario is to end up like San Jose and be trapped in cap purgatory for a decade.

There are no elite goal scorers in the market. You will have to draft them like Coronato is trending towards.

You are not paying 14M a year for his 25-30 goals he would also add 50-60 assists. So someone is scoring those goals.

I also don't think he should get more than Rantanen. I was wrong about him, it took him time but it looks like he has taken over Dallas. He is doing something on every shift, he is big and fast and super skilled.

Marner is more of a elusive shifty guy, I don't see him dominating shifts the same way which is why his game likely fades in the playoffs.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You are not paying 14M a year for his 25-30 goals he would also add 50-60 assists. So someone is scoring those goals.

Does Calgary have a Matthews or a Nylander to bury the chances he sets them up for? I think it's a mistake to assume his production in Toronto would automatically carry over to Calgary. We made that mistake with Huby. We don't need another 50-60 point guy locked in at big money for 7 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Does Calgary have a Matthews or a Nylander to bury the chances he sets them up for? I think it's a mistake to assume his production in Toronto would automatically carry over to Calgary. We made that mistake with Huby. We don't need another 50-60 point guy locked in at big money for 7 years.

We have a few guys who can score, but when you mention Matthew no we don't and that is kind of the whole point of why this is a bad idea. We do not have a #1 center.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Does Calgary have a Matthews or a Nylander to bury the chances he sets them up for? I think it's a mistake to assume his production in Toronto would automatically carry over to Calgary. We made that mistake with Huby. We don't need another 50-60 point guy locked in at big money for 7 years.

Mitch Marner as a 50 point guy LOL. He has much more consistent production than Huberdeau ever did. His last 5 years pro rated for 82 games are

24/25 - 103 points
23/24 - 101 points
22/23 - 101 points
21/22 - 110 points
20/21 - 100 points

Mitch Marner would play well on a team that may have generational offensive talent on the backend. If a team had an elite offensive dman who would join the rush and has scored at every level that guy would completely pop with Marner. Marner would also play well with any shooter that has a great shot (Coronato, Sharnagovich) probably being able to set those guys up as well. Marner would also provide a major boost for the powerplay. When you add that he is arguably the best defensive winger in the NHL it seems like a no brainer to at least try to get him.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They suggested Calgary is ready to make a max offer so that is 19M so if we are speaking in hypotheticals we would have 8.75M to sign 5 players.

Now do I think he will get that no, he doesn't deserve a more than Rantanen who has more 100 point seasons is a superior playoff performer.

What? Who are they
19M isnt happening, maybe for 1 year lol

[traptor]

Marner's not getting 19 anywhere lol.

14x7 would make him the highest paid player in the NHL by a decent chunk.

Not that many teams will be willing to offer that up.


The Flames are one that could.
Ducks, Sharks and Hawks could do it.

I could see the Canes making a good pitch after flipping Rantenen.