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[TorqueDog]

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Other times I can feel the breeze behind me as vehicles make a left turn just as I've crossed the middle of the road which is illegal but a lot of Calgary drivers simply don't understand crosswalk rules (or they don't care).

I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.
I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

I didn’t know that. Nice.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.
I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

Interesting, because you fail your drivers test if you do that.

[ResAlien]

lol. Asking if my on leash dog is friendly after you've let your off leash dog run up on her is the wrong order of operations sir. The answer is "assuredly not".

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GGG

Interesting, because you fail your drivers test if you do that.

Thanks to the testing being re-privatized in 2021, you can also pass your driver's test if you slip an unscrupulous examiner a hundred bucks.

But yeah, in the same way the police don't always get application / interpretation of the law correctly until it goes to the courts, examiners are the same (except you can't take them to court).

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.

Driving home today I enjoyed laying on the horn as I passed one of these dolts who stopped 1/5 out of the single driving lane to let out a passenger when there was a ton of room to pull over fully.

Another spot on my route there's always one or two Skip dolts parked in the bike lane and I really want to see a cyclist ride by one day and run something like lipstick down the side. I might do it myself for fun if I had a bike.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Driving home today I enjoyed laying on the horn as I passed one of these dolts who stopped 1/5 out of the single driving lane to let out a passenger when there was a ton of room to pull over fully.

Another spot on my route there's always one or two Skip dolts parked in the bike lane and I really want to see a cyclist ride by one day and run something like lipstick down the side. I might do it myself for fun if I had a bike.

It’s great to just lay on the horn where they’re picking up/dropping off someone as you can always hope the passenger feels embarrassed/awkward and dings their rating for stopping like an idiot.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Thanks to the testing being re-privatized in 2021, you can also pass your driver's test if you slip an unscrupulous examiner a hundred bucks.

But yeah, in the same way the police don't always get application / interpretation of the law correctly until it goes to the courts, examiners are the same (except you can't take them to court).

The drivers handbook has it to wait until the pedestrian has cleared the intersection but in that case they are trying to teach safe driving practice in addition to the rules of the road so it makes sense they are more conservative.

Page 64

https://open.alberta.ca/dataset/387f...de-2023-04.pdf

It does explain why people believe it to be true though

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.
I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

When I said I can feel the breeze of the car behind me I'm not kidding so maybe my wording was a little off but at best I'm in the middle straddling the lanes so it's kind of in that grey area of what's allowed vs what's safe. I've also been cut off at the middle as well where the vehicle just turns in front of me. I don't expect a car not to turn when I'm well in the other lane but some of these drivers cut things very close. We were always taught that drivers were to wait until the pedestrian crossed the intersection but it appears that may be outdated now.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.
I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

Originally Posted by fotze2

I didn’t know that. Nice.

Interesting. In Ontario that is a law, it was brought in a few years back. Have to wait. It’s funny, because pedestrians have basically no right of way out here otherwise it seems.

[InglewoodFan]

Originally Posted by GGG

Interesting, because you fail your drivers test if you do that.

I failed for just that reason, albeit in 1986. I am aware the law has changed but it is difficult to rewire old habits so I just wait for the pedestrian to clear the crosswalk more often than not.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by InglewoodFan

I failed for just that reason, albeit in 1986. I am aware the law has changed but it is difficult to rewire old habits so I just wait for the pedestrian to clear the crosswalk more often than not.

Its when it s a very large intersection it becomes silly. Like an old lady pushing a walker through 6 lanes. She isn't going to turn on a dime and start sprinting back to where you are waiting.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

X-##### plates are the god damned worst, it's always Uber drivers and they drive like hot trash.
I'm afraid it's you that doesn't understand the crosswalk rules. Drivers may proceed from a stop after the pedestrian has crossed their lane and they do not need to wait until the pedestrian has reached the other side. This interpretation has been proven out in court.

R v Schumacher, 2014 ABQB 571 If there is no interference with the pedestrian's right of way (that is, the forward progression of the pedestrian through the crosswalk), then car did yield and lawfully proceed. Yes, there's that one Globe & Mail article, and the interpretation of the law in Alberta as stated in that article is wrong.

My AMA driver instructor told me this. If the individual is at least in the 2nd+ lane away from you or on the curb, you may proceed. That means that if you are turning left on a 2 lane road (1 lane in each direction), the pedestrian must be on the curb.

But if it's 3+ lanes, he told me you may proceed if the pedestrian is a full lane away from you. That means that if the pedestrian is still in the lane directly beside the one you will turn into, you may not proceed. If the pedestrian is not in the lanes beside the one you will turn into but in the cross walk, you may proceed (2nd+ lane away). So in a 4 lane situation, assuming I am turning into a lane that isn't the lane directly beside the curb/sidewalk, depending which direction they're walking, either the pedestrian has to be stepping onto the sidewalk or in the lane closest to the sidewalk. Then I can go.

He said the ability to enforce it by the police is poor and that the argument is that the pedestrian has cleared the lane and is unlikely to be incapable of rushing back 10ft+ back into your lane within a few seconds, thus meeting the intention of the rule. However, someone in the middle of the lane next to the one you are turning into could in theory spin around and rush back, thus, that's why he said they have to clear the lane/pass the line into the next one before you go.

When discussing the weird 4 lane situations with those concrete walk island/peninsulas in the middle, he said, "Either pedestrian steps two feet onto the curb or you can wait until pedestrian walks onto the first lane on the other side of the concrete island/peninsula. Either should be fine." This was the type of dude who was part of a group of AMA instructors that was helping to enforce and shut down bad driving schools. He was a heck of a straight shooter and he was adamant I understood how to properly follow this rule.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s great to just lay on the horn where they’re picking up/dropping off someone as you can always hope the passenger feels embarrassed/awkward and dings their rating for stopping like an idiot.

That completely crossed my mind.

[DownInFlames]

It GMG that so few people honk. Half the time I’m honking at #### drivers 2 or 3 cars ahead because the people directly behind them won’t. Either they don’t think the idiot isn’t doing anything wrong or they’re ok with it. Ponderous.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

A few months ago I saw pedestrians on 3 corners all looking to cross E-W. You need to hit the button on this one. Not one person pressed it of the 8 or so people waiting. So the E-W went green, but they didn't get a walk sign. They all just waited for the light to change back to red. One guy with a low hoodie, giant can headphones, and phone in his hand, once the light went red decided that was his moment to cross. If not for the slow acceleration of the school bus and attentive driver, he would have been road paste because the vehicle right of the bus was hauling, and the bus stopping was the only thing that had the guy look up.


Drivers, pedestrians...all dumb. I think I see far more people driving while using phones than 5 years ago.

My walk from my office to my car is over one of these intersections. Hitting the button is about 50/50 whether or not it will work - i've contacted the city a couple times asking to replace it. So now i say #### it and just walk.

I've had people honk at me but i don't care.

I do not understand why any intersection walk signs should be push buttons only

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Cappy

My walk from my office to my car is over one of these intersections. Hitting the button is about 50/50 whether or not it will work - i've contacted the city a couple times asking to replace it. So now i say #### it and just walk.

I've had people honk at me but i don't care.

I do not understand why any intersection walk signs should be push buttons only

Beg buttons suck and should be done away with.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Beg buttons suck and should be done away with.

I truly don't get it.

sure, maybe an intersection isnt timed, so you have a button saying "i want to walk" but the walk sign should not be tied to hitting that button. it should always be on.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

It GMG that so few people honk. Half the time I’m honking at #### drivers 2 or 3 cars ahead because the people directly behind them won’t. Either they don’t think the idiot isn’t doing anything wrong or they’re ok with it. Ponderous.

They don't notice because they're on their phones too, or they're so worried what that person will think about them as a random vehicle occupant doing a perfectly normal action.

Kind of like the strugglers who can't zipper merge because they're obsessed with the thoughts of the drivers at the front of the other lane so they cut in behind instead of being obsessed with the thoughts of the drivers behind them annoyed they can't pull to the end of their lane.

These are also the people that skitter across the street at the four way stop cross walk because they think it matters that I think they might be slow and inconveniencing me by one millisecond.

It's peabrain simpleton behaviour.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Beg buttons suck and should be done away with.

The only place they should be are places that rarely but occasionally get pedestrians so that cross streets can have a quick signal change for the one or two cars, but a pedestrian crossing would be egregiously long because it's 6-8 lanes designed for semi traffic. You don't want that long enough for pedestrians to cross every single time when there aren't any, but when there is one they need time to do so.