2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[FlamesAddiction]

Datsyuk was only 5'10".

I have no real point though I guess because obviously Datsyuk was a special player and not exactly the same size as Rossi. I don't think that 1 inch makes a massive difference, but pointing out rare exceptions that aren't recent just highlights how rare it is.

In general, it is rare for a 5'9" player to make it in the NHL and especially put up decent points, so Rossi has already gotten over that hump.

Part of me thinks, let's just get better, add some offense, then worry about the bigger problems once we start making the playoffs on a regular basis. But I also get the opportunity cost angle. If we give up assets for a player now and a bigger fish comes along that is a needle mover, it could prevent you from making that move.

I lean a little more towards acquiring Rossi, depending on the cost of course.

[1qqaaz]

If you do have a smaller center, you'll need a larger center than is also effective. As good as Point is, Tampa also had Stamkos. Even on their PP now, Point plays RW and Cirelli plays center.

Smaller centers need to have high awareness and general hockey IQ to make up for their inability to physically create space.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect Crosby is closer to 5’9 than he is to 5’11

Nope, I met both Crosby and MacKinnon together at the same event, I can assure you there's not a noticeable difference between them and they are not 5'9

Here, Marchand is 5'8 or 5'9

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Icon

Crosby's a generous 5'11"

Crosby is a generational team Canada player.

Rossi is not even close to a Crosby.

[Icon]

Obviously.

Your question implied small Centers meant the team couldn't succeed.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Icon

Obviously.

Your question implied small Centers meant the team couldn't succeed.

I think the correction would be a team can succeed with a small centre as long as he is a generational player and is backed up by a HOF big centre.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Svartsengi

Flames wouldn’t be building around Rossi just adding a skilled piece to the third lowest scoring team in the NHL. Still need to draft skilled centres.

Problem is you are likely spending draft capital to acquire Rossi which impacts your ability to draft skilled centers. You can’t have it both ways. So Conroy has to decide if he’s willing to forego the opportunity to draft a skilled center (or BPA) in order to acquire a skilled but small center who puts us in the playoff bubble but lacks the requisite size to get us deep into the playoffs if we qualify for the post season.

[Svartsengi]

Looking at Minnesota's depth chart they really don't have anyone to step in and replace Rossi as 2nd line center. They would have to acquire another scoring center before realistically moving on from Rossi I believe.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya the Flames should be in on Rossi if he is available. You can find big size guys like Jason Wiemer in the trade market or spend a top 10 pick on them.

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Problem is you are likely spending draft capital to acquire Rossi which impacts your ability to draft skilled centers. You can’t have it both ways. So Conroy has to decide if he’s willing to forego the opportunity to draft a skilled center (or BPA) in order to acquire a skilled but small center who puts us in the playoff bubble but lacks the requisite size to get us deep into the playoffs if we qualify for the post season.

FFIV has it right.

The Flames have already acquired one other teams expendable young C, they don’t need two. They already spent, in part, draft capital to do so. To send more out the door for a player who’s ceiling doesn’t appear to be much more than a complimentary 2C, at best, doesn’t really love the needle. So the question I would have is ‘why’?

It’s not just C’s that the Flames need from an organizational perspective. There are holes elsewhere and the best way to plug those holes, as best you can, is to continue to draft, often.

Mentioned this the other day but acquiring a player like Rossi likely serves one purpose. To keep them competitive as a middle tier team. Good enough for a 60-ish point season. The Marco Rossi’s of the league will be more readily available year to year. I’m not sure why the Flamrs should be chasing that player profile right now, especially given they just acquired one 3-4 months ago.

[traptor]

Rossi and frost are very different caliber players.

Frost is a journeyman in the NHL now and has never come w
Close to hitting 60 points.

Rossi hit 60 points in his 2nd year in the NHL, and it's not like he was being fed ice time, pp1 and favorable matchups.


Rossi could definitely have another level or two he can get you. Look at Point: 40 pts, 66 then 92.

You go after him if you think he has another level and can be a top line center, and the price is somewhat reasonable.

[Toonage]

If Rossi were this good and could carry a team and be this sought after the Wild should be better than they are you'd think.

I'd be happy to have him on the Flames but I wouldn't think he's the missing link for the club.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by traptor

Rossi and frost are very different caliber players.

Frost is a journeyman in the NHL now and has never come w
Close to hitting 60 points.

Rossi hit 60 points in his 2nd year in the NHL, and it's not like he was being fed ice time, pp1 and favorable matchups.


Rossi could definitely have another level or two he can get you. Look at Point: 40 pts, 66 then 92.

You go after him if you think he has another level and can be a top line center, and the price is somewhat reasonable.

He hit sixty points as a 22 23 year old. For most forwards their most productive years are between 24 and 28.

While ideally everyone wants a center to be 7 feet tall Rossi has already done what most players dont ever do never mind doing it before your 24. Not unreasonable to think he could hit 70+ points in his prime years. 70 points is a top line player to me whether he is 5 .9 or 7 foot.

Not sure how some people evaluate players but at 60 points with steady progression especially after dealing with health issues he is already in the higher end of scoring before his prime.
He could easily be our top scorer

Note: i was agreeing with you traptor just wanted to add to it

[SilverKast]

You trade for Rossi if the goal is perpetual mediocrity, because that's where it would land us. Nothing against the player, but he's not enough to make this a great team - rather he's likely just enough to keep us mediocre. Which keeps us drafting with mediocre picks, and unless we luck into a franchise player with our mid range picks we remain mediocre and the cycle continues.

We need some elite talent, but the issue remains how to obtain it.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by traptor

Rossi and frost are very different caliber players.

Frost is a journeyman in the NHL now and has never come w
Close to hitting 60 points.

Rossi hit 60 points in his 2nd year in the NHL, and it's not like he was being fed ice time, pp1 and favorable matchups.


Rossi could definitely have another level or two he can get you. Look at Point: 40 pts, 66 then 92.

You go after him if you think he has another level and can be a top line center, and the price is somewhat reasonable.

Sure. Frost was also buried under Torts. Did he ever have the chance to play with a Boldy or a Kaprizov or even a Zuccarelo?

To me, it raises a question that a team would have this player currently slotted on their 4th line. Why? I’m sure they would want Rossi to succeed, so where is the divide here? Are the Wild so deep at centre they simply can’t find room for him? Do they have a young prospect who is kicking the door down and going to push this supposed top line C out of a job?

I’m not saying Frost and Rossi are the same. Of course they are not. Rossi starts with an R and Frost starts with an F. Point I’m making is the Flames already moved draft capital (which they should seldomly do at this point) for a player they probably think has middle six upside. Why would they, or should they, do that again? I think it’s pretty unlikely Rossi is going to turn into that 1C the Flames need. I think he’s far more likely to land in the exact middle six slot as Frost is.

Bottom line, if the Flames are trying to land their 1C at the bargain bin, they could spend the next decade or two sifting through the flotsam of the league.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GFG#1

I would love to see it too, Crosby only has a few years left, Flames might make the playoffs in the next couple of years, but it would likely have to be a magic run like 04 for them to win the cup while Crosby is still playing. Crosby and Mackinnon playing together in Colorado would certainly make that team cup favorites. Might even be enough to make McDavid think twice about resigning with the Oilers.

Personally, I would love to see McDavid resign from the Oilers and move on to another team.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SilverKast

You trade for Rossi if the goal is perpetual mediocrity, because that's where it would land us. Nothing against the player, but he's not enough to make this a great team - rather he's likely just enough to keep us mediocre. Which keeps us drafting with mediocre picks, and unless we luck into a franchise player with our mid range picks we remain mediocre and the cycle continues.

We need some elite talent, but the issue remains how to obtain it.

Agree.

If the Flames want Rossi, then move Frost. Either as part of that deal or to regain the draft capital that has been and will be spent to acquire both of these middle six C’s.

There’s room for one, not two.

That, or trade Kadri/Backlund which is even more unlikely.

[Jason14h]

Ask yourself - Why is Minny a team that when healthly was one of the top teams in the league and a playoff team looking to trade this guy?

Sure if they package with other assets to actually get a better player it makes sense - But if they are dealing for futures there is a reason.

Obviously teams make mistakes and players can flourish elsewhere, but the Flames dont need to be in on / going for every mid forward that comes avail.

This is actually why i did not overly like the Frost and Fabaree trade . Sure the price was good - But to me neither move the needle. They are just kind of ...there.... for a mid standing type team

I would actually rather have neither of them, kept the assets and cap room (and traded Kuz for the same return Philly got) and go for Rossi now if he avail because I do think he has more upside and is a better age.

Clogging up the middle 6 and hoping one turns into a low end top line forward isn't going to be a successful long term build a cup contender strategy

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If Rossi were this good and could carry a team and be this sought after the Wild should be better than they are you'd think.

I'd be happy to have him on the Flames but I wouldn't think he's the missing link for the club.

Who is saying he is?
This team needs centers and skill.
He provides that and is the right age.
No one has said he is the savior for the team.

[bluejays]

I'm against acquiring players to inch us there. Doing that just means you bring us to where we are today (the fuzzy middle). You gotta bottom out and get that franchise level talent for a season or two, then add from there. I wasn't against the Frost trade, because it was a good one, but in hindsight it's putting us in the middle. I'd welcome a deal of almost anyone who's not a major contributor 4 years down the line, to be dealt to bottom out. It has to be done.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Who is saying he is?
This team needs centers and skill.
He provides that and is the right age.
No one has said he is the savior for the team.

I didn't either.

But going back the last few pages there seems to be this ground swell of interest / excitement over this player. Some talk of players his size/stature being first line centers. Some comparisons to Datsyuk & Crosby (size related). Feels like I'm missing something.