The federal government bailed out Alberta to the tune of $50 billion for the Transmountain Pipeline. Why shouldn’t Ontario ask for similar treatment with one of their essential industries?
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
It is pretty telling when you see the folks immediately talking about a referendum and Alberta separating. I didn't vote Liberal, but that doesn't mean I want to leave or refuse to accept the reality. I want our PM to succeed and be the best PM ever. The thing that gets me is, if that were to happen, Alberta separates, wouldn't Alberta likely just become the 51st state?
I am taking Carney at face value and am believing he wants to focus on Canadian economic growth and strengthen trade with countries not named the United States.
Plus, if you actually speak with someone who wants to separate, this is their whole plan.
Step 1: separate from Canada
Step 2: wealth for all, freedom, best life ever.
It's just so childish and silly IMO.
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I got an unsolicited text from some family saying not to talk about the election and don't come crying when mortgage rates, electricity, gas and cost of groceries goes through the roof. I couldn't help myself from letting them know Alberta already pays the highest electricity and insurance in Canada due to conservative policies, and the government doesn't control mortgage rates - or the cost of groceries. No reply but I'm assuming they didn't even know we pay the highest electric and insurance costs in Canada hahaha.
For the record I didn't say #### to anybody about the election except for on here. Don't need that American political split up here at all.
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That's what really makes my head spin. While there's a "growing sentiment", majority of CPC voters would not vote for separation in a referendum.
How do people think Alberta would manage to pull it off when Quebec couldn't even manage it (twice)?
Probably a lot of rural support but that's 16% of Alberta's population. I would imagine far less than 50% support in all urban areas. That said 1/10 Canadians supporting joining the US is no joke so if it's that high on a national level then it's probably at least 3+ out of 10 in Alberta.
Even I kinda wonder if Alberta becoming the 51st state would benefit my boys as I just don't know what the future holds for this country seeing we will never be able to become self sufficient as long as Quebec's going to keep doing Quebec things. I just think Alberta in particular becoming a state would be beneficial to young people that kind of feel trapped in Canada struggling to find work and the high cost of homes. The USA affords so much more opportunity and choice.
Maybe you could teach your boys to be self sufficient and move to the US if they want access to all that wonderful opportunity and choice instead of crossing your fingers that the US just moves to them?
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Even I kinda wonder if Alberta becoming the 51st state would benefit my boys as I just don't know what the future holds for this country seeing we will never be able to become self sufficient as long as Quebec's going to keep doing Quebec things. I just think Alberta in particular becoming a state would be beneficial to young people that kind of feel trapped in Canada struggling to find work and the high cost of homes. The USA affords so much more opportunity and choice.
Then move there FFS. Seriously, wouldn't that be a hell of a lot easier than Alberta trying to separate? All it takes is some paperwork on your end, and boom, you're an American. Enjoy the fascism!
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Probably a lot of rural support but that's 16% of Alberta's population. I would imagine far less than 50% support in all urban areas. That said 1/10 Canadians supporting joining the US is no joke so if it's that high on a national level then it's probably at least 3+ out of 10 in Alberta.
Even I kinda wonder if Alberta becoming the 51st state would benefit my boys as I just don't know what the future holds for this country seeing we will never be able to become self sufficient as long as Quebec's going to keep doing Quebec things. I just think Alberta in particular becoming a state would be beneficial to young people that kind of feel trapped in Canada struggling to find work and the high cost of homes. The USA affords so much more opportunity and choice.
Been there, done that.
America sucks hard. There's a reason I happily came back. Don't take it from me though. If you feel like you'd be better off in the US, then pack up and move there. Don't try to drag the rest of us with you.
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Of all options that exist in the world, the states is the very last place on that list I’d ever consider.
What's going on down there is scary so clearly I'm thinking post Trump. Still there's lots of things to consider so while it may seem like a good idea to some Canadians, there's many potential downsides that a lot of people that would support it aren't probably looking closely enough as many take healthcare and our safety for granted. I can see that a lot of posters area already getting defensive and jumping on me even though I never said I would support it, only that I'm worried about my boys and what the younger generations have to look forward to in this country given the current state of affairs.
I just want to say that this place is getting pretty hostile. Wow.
What's going on down there is scary so clearly I'm thinking post Trump. Still there's lots of things to consider so while it may seem like a good idea to some Canadians, there's many potential downsides that a lot of people that would support it aren't probably looking closely enough as many take healthcare and our safety for granted. I can see that a lot of posters area already getting defensive and jumping on me even though I never said I would support it, only that I'm worried about my boys and what the younger generations have to look forward to in this country given the current state of affairs.
I just want to say that this place is getting pretty hostile. Wow.
Dude… you’re advocating taking away something from others to get what you want, instead of just doing what you want as it’s currently available. I also don’t buy any of the “more opportunity” stuff.
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Dude… you advocating taking away something from others to get what you want, instead of just doing what you want as it’s currently available. I also don’t buy any of the “more opportunity” stuff.
I'm not advocating anything. Really take a few moments to read my posts. My goodness some of you need to really tone things down. This place is becoming pretty hostile.
I'm not advocating anything. Really take a few moments to read my posts. My goodness some of you need to really tone things down. This place is becoming pretty hostile.
Okay. So the idea is to take away something from everybody else to get what a small percentage actually want. I think it’s a dumb idea. And I think it’s pretty embarrassing to “wow, hostile” your way through any sort of response.
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What's going on down there is scary so clearly I'm thinking post Trump. Still there's lots of things to consider so while it may seem like a good idea to some Canadians, there's many potential downsides that a lot of people that would support it aren't probably looking closely enough as many take healthcare and our safety for granted. I can see that a lot of posters area already getting defensive and jumping on me even though I never said I would support it, only that I'm worried about my boys and what the younger generations have to look forward to in this country given the current state of affairs.
I just want to say that this place is getting pretty hostile. Wow.
Do you see Canada as broken? It sure sounds like it. I struggle to see where this comes from based on actual facts. Not manipulated stuff that gets peddled as fact by people motivated to convince you Canada is broken. I think you've just been swallowed by a perspective built on false narratives.
Canada has it's challenges, as it always has. Yes, some are self inflicted, some are "unsolvable", and some are external. But we've never failed to navigate through these and while we are far from perfect, what we do have as a country is remarkable, and I see no evidence that we are at risk of losing that beyond the politicians who seem dead set on taking it away with their tantrums.
Really, how do you picture Canada in 10 or 20 years if we continue the course with rational centrist/left leaning governments? Where is this doom and gloom and how bad do you see it getting to sit back, look south, and consider "ya, that's probably better"? I just think the BS about Canada being broken and needing all this drastic nonsense to fix it is doing far more harm than whatever fear people have about the future, but I guess fear is a powerful motivator, particularly when it can be manufactured based on ephemeral wisps of reality.
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I'm not advocating anything. Really take a few moments to read my posts. My goodness some of you need to really tone things down. This place is becoming pretty hostile.
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You said the thought has crossed your mind of ALberta becoming the 51st state, and it would be better for younger people.
So while you aren't saying they should become the 51st state you are thinking about it, you have given it enough thought impacting your family.
So the right thing would be to do would be leave the people who want to part of Alberta and Canada, and move to the US.
Anyone even giving it a thought sounds pretty traitorous to me.
If you are so oppressed and hate it so much here, leave it. Anyone going through that type of suffering should leave, that is usually what people do in that situation.
