04-29-2025, 06:16 AM
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#781
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Join Date: Apr 2012
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If I was approached as a CPC MP to step down to let PP parachute in I would be asking for at least seven figures to do so. One thing for PP to suffer the most catastrophic collapse in at least Canadian political history, another for him to not even win his own seat and need to be a DEI MP. I'd be looking at it like I did my job, I won my seat, so for me to flush my career away for a loser like PP I need to be well compensated for that.
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04-29-2025, 06:31 AM
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#783
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Not saying he was a great premier but he and hinshaw got us through Covid in a respectable manner. One of those moments, just like where you see GW Bush come across as insightful and intelligent, that really goes to show much society has fallen due to the influx of right wing propaganda and foreign (Russian primarily) psyops
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Holy freakin' #### man, are you serious? Are people's memories that bad? They made a freakin' musical about how poorly handled the whole thing was!
Hinshaw kinda did the best she could considering having to deal with Kenney. Just because Smith is 1000 times worse, that doesn't mean Kenney was actually good. Nobody on any side of the vaccine debate thought he navigated it well. It was week after week of "what in the actual #### are these people doing?" No, he was a disaster at covid, and in a lot of other areas, too.
I guess if Kenney is relying on people's memories, it seems he may have an easy walk.
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04-29-2025, 06:40 AM
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#784
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Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Waking up to find out that Canadians are still sane, and Poilievre out of parliament is such a wonderful way to wake up.
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04-29-2025, 06:44 AM
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#785
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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See, Pierre, Canadians could vote for Conservatives. They just won't vote for you. What a loser.
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04-29-2025, 06:50 AM
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#787
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A Fiddler Crab
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Chicago
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It is a great day for Canada, and therefore the world.
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04-29-2025, 06:52 AM
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#788
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Jeremy Nixon is like 1 for 5 in elections. He really should move on to something else in life.
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04-29-2025, 06:52 AM
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#789
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Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers
Who are we looking at? Who’s an actual good candidate? I want to join and vote.
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I'm not very knowledgeable of the power players in the NDP but I think that Julien could be a good leader. He seems smart, likeable, reasonable and has been a strong voice in committees.
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04-29-2025, 06:56 AM
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#790
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Originally Posted by Flabbibulin
Jeremy Nixon is like 1 for 5 in elections. He really should move on to something else in life.
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Ya, he's pretty much mastered the art of being a loser. Though we do have a municipal election coming up in the fall, and he hasn't tried to lose at that one yet, so maybe we haven't seen the last of him. If Sean Chu cares to salvage any scraps of dignity and not run again I could see us having to reject Nixon yet again here.
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04-29-2025, 06:57 AM
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#791
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Deep South
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I really hope this isn't the start of a two party system in Canada. I really believe that the main reason the NDP did so bad is anyone left of the CPC voted liberal to avoid vote splitting down the left.
The us vs them mentality in the US is so toxic right now and I fear we're headed that way in Canada with the result tonight.
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04-29-2025, 07:03 AM
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#792
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Holy freakin' #### man, are you serious? Are people's memories that bad? They made a freakin' musical about how poorly handled the whole thing was!
Hinshaw kinda did the best she could considering having to deal with Kenney. Just because Smith is 1000 times worse, that doesn't mean Kenney was actually good. Nobody on any side of the vaccine debate thought he navigated it well. It was week after week of "what in the actual #### are these people doing?" No, he was a disaster at covid, and in a lot of other areas, too.
I guess if Kenney is relying on people's memories, it seems he may have an easy walk.
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Kenny had the best opening up strategy, he did the best on schools, he sacrificed (or perhaps miscalculated the cost) his career going against his base. He closed things down too late leading to longer closures.
Of the premiers in Canada I’d say he was number 6. The Atlantic bubble and BC beating him out. He was ok.
He also started running for PPs job yesterday and was hilariously caught when Bartan talked about the knives being out for pp
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04-29-2025, 07:05 AM
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#793
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Ya, he's pretty much mastered the art of being a loser. Though we do have a municipal election coming up in the fall, and he hasn't tried to lose at that one yet, so maybe we haven't seen the last of him. If Sean Chu cares to salvage any scraps of dignity and not run again I could see us having to reject Nixon yet again here.
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Im almost certain he has already run for councillor, and was perhaps his first attempt.
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04-29-2025, 07:06 AM
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#794
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Originally Posted by mrkajz44
I really hope this isn't the start of a two party system in Canada. I really believe that the main reason the NDP did so bad is anyone left of the CPC voted liberal to avoid vote splitting down the left.
The us vs them mentality in the US is so toxic right now and I fear we're headed that way in Canada with the result tonight.
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A lot of NDP votes went to the CPC though. Pierre made significant inroads with organized labour and while that seems weird on the political spectrum, that was a huge factor here.
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04-29-2025, 07:06 AM
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#795
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: California
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Originally Posted by mrkajz44
I really hope this isn't the start of a two party system in Canada. I really believe that the main reason the NDP did so bad is anyone left of the CPC voted liberal to avoid vote splitting down the left.
The us vs them mentality in the US is so toxic right now and I fear we're headed that way in Canada with the result tonight.
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I think rank ballot would be on the table with the liberals and Bloc and use it as a bargaining chip to prop up the government post trade renegotiation. You won’t get proportional as the liberals and conservatives would never go for it. But ranked ballot ends strategic voting.
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04-29-2025, 07:16 AM
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#796
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To me, the number one issue was to prevent PP being the prime minister. He would immediately capitulate to Trump, just like Smith is doing.
I wish the Conservatives had a better leader because it's not a good thing to have decade+ long governments, so I wanted the Liberals out.
All things considered, this election was the best case scenario IMO:
1. PP is not prime minister,
2. Even better, he lost his seat.
3. Liberals got a minority, so they can be held a little bit more accountable.
4. Liberals were sent a message that Canada wants some change
5. Carney remains PM.
Evan Soloman did an interview with Global (I had no idea he was running) and he said it best. This election was about standing up and defending Canada against America and he felt Carney was a special leadership candidate. Even said he was generational. He felt he had to join the fight to help Carney win.
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04-29-2025, 07:17 AM
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#797
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Join Date: Mar 2015
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Originally Posted by GGG
Kenny had the best opening up strategy, he did the best on schools, he sacrificed (or perhaps miscalculated the cost) his career going against his base. He closed things down too late leading to longer closures.
Of the premiers in Canada I’d say he was number 6. The Atlantic bubble and BC beating him out. He was ok.
He also started running for PPs job yesterday and was hilariously caught when Bartan talked about the knives being out for pp
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Do you mean the false start "best summer ever" that led to disasters in the fall where schools were forced to close because they had no healthy teachers and half the students were sick? And even Hinshaw admitted they got it wrong and it was more a political decision than a science and health based one? Or do you mean later in February when it was still arguably too early given the state of our healthcare system at the time and that he was allowing himself to be controlled by the fringe of the party for fear of what eventually happened to his job?
He assembled the UCP, he's responsible for at least some of what happened to the party and his loss to Smith because he saw consolidating power, no matter who you have to turn to to do it, was a reasonable way forward. Not to mention the sketchy way he got there in the first place. That backfired on him eventually, and backfired on Alberta mightily. I do not want to see a man with that strong of political power motivations as CPC leader. It wasn't good for Alberta the way he swept in from his Federal position, and it won't be good for Canada if he tries the reverse.
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04-29-2025, 07:30 AM
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#798
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
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Don't go down this B.S. American political path.
Conservatives lost because PP was a terrible candidate that couldn't even win his own riding and would have immediately sided with Trump.
The second that Carney was named leader instead of Trudeau and that PP was so obviously going to be a Trump lackey was when they lost the election
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04-29-2025, 07:39 AM
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#799
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I know a pretty diverse group of people... I've never met anyone who is truly an Alberta separatist.
Yet last night so much of the coverage was about separatists in Alberta.
Is separatism actually a thing here? We don't even have a separatist party like BQ.
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04-29-2025, 07:41 AM
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#800
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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It's a new beginning for Canada. No more Trudeau, PP, and Singh which is best case scenario for Canadians as three of the worst party leaders in recent times are now out of the way. Carney may be a greasy, elite businessman but unlike Trudeau, PP, and Singh he's proven to be very competent at his craft and hopefully his economic expertise translates into politics as he was the best choice to combat what's going on in the USA. I do believe that it benefits us all to have competent leaders of all parties, even the ones you oppose so hopefully the CP and NDP can follow the lead of the Liberal party and select party leaders that are fully qualified and competent enough to provide a viable alternative to the Liberals in future elections as Canadians truly do deserve better than what we have received the last decade from parliament.
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