Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

What I foresee today, Liberal Minority, with a record breaking popular vote for the Conservatives. That will highlight how polarized this country is, if anything it also shows how similar to the Americans we are getting (one party right / one party left with a wide gap in the middle). Multi-party opposition becoming obsolete.

America is more like far, far, far right and centre/right; but I fear this polarization too.
What I would say to you is that even if you have valid reasons for voting Conservative, hold the party you are supporting responsible for their part in it.

Liberals felt Trudeau was moving too far left and were overwhelmingly ready to vote against him and even forced his resignation. His plummeting support and the massive poll leads for PP at the time, were people using their voice against the polarization of our parties.

Are you willing to encourage your party away from the far right fringe?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by indes

It's a good thing the CPC put directly in their platform that they plan on pulling all those checks and balances under parliament so they can toe the line.

Maybe I missed that part of the platform or I am just reading things incorrectly but where does it talk about removing checks and balances from our system?

[indes]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Maybe I missed that part of the platform or I am just reading things incorrectly but where does it talk about removing checks and balances from our system?

In their governing documents under democratic reform.

EDIT: Technically they're not talking about removing them but moves like these are what we see down south or here in Alberta where no one holds anybody accountable due to them all being on the "same team".

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp...3517f7a575.pdf

C. DEMOCRATIC REFORM
9. Officers of Parliament
The Conservative Party believes that senior officers such as the Auditor General, Chief Electoral Officer,
Comptroller General, Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Information Commissioner, and
Privacy Commissioner should be appointed by Parliament and report to it.

[opendoor]

He has also promised to use the Notwithstanding Clause to overcome court decisions he doesn’t like, removing another check on the government’s power.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by indes

In their governing documents under democratic reform.

EDIT: Technically they're not talking about removing them but moves like these are what we see down south or here in Alberta where no one holds anybody accountable due to them all being on the "same team".

https://cpcassets.conservative.ca/wp...3517f7a575.pdf

C. DEMOCRATIC REFORM
9. Officers of Parliament
The Conservative Party believes that senior officers such as the Auditor General, Chief Electoral Officer,
Comptroller General, Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner, Information Commissioner, and
Privacy Commissioner should be appointed by Parliament and report to it.

The important part is bolded.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The important part is bolded.

No it isn't. Its part of their Party's resolutions. Just because they aren't talking about it, doesn't mean its not important.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The worst part of a Carney win would absolutely be the incoming endless whinging and escalation of division coming from Smith. These past few weeks where she's been forced to shut the #### up have been really nice. Unfortunately that's coming to an end.

This is why liberals and NDP supporters in Alberta still need to go to the polls if their preferred candidate is not going to win.

A 30%-35% turn out for the libs in Alberta sends a decent message

[Cycling76er]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I voted Conservative. I worry about the Liberals really not changing anything that we've seen in the last 10 years and that we'll just see more debt, more bureaucracy, more taxes, and more cost of living to us and the future generations.

All that being said, I feel very fortunate that really, the difference between the two parties is not that big. We live in a country where we have a slightly left party and a slightly right party. Media and people's strong opinions (including my own and others on this site) tend to make it seem like the chasm between the parties is gigantic. And there are key differences.

But when I voted, there were no guns and nobody forcing me to vote one way or the other. It's not like the difference between the parties is the difference between my freedom or not.

We live in a pretty amazing place in the world, and I feel fortunate to live here. It might be a stretch that I say I'm grateful that I can disagree with fellow Flames fans about politics on an online forum, but I'll choose to say it because I'd rather feel good than angry.

Lol####ingwhat?



Your vote is your own and I'm happy that you took the time to do it. I disagree with your logic. However, you have every right to vote for the party that you feel will represent your best interests.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

I don't miss the mess that was Covid. Telling/forcing people to do something 'against their will' creates that kind of situation (in the 'free world'). I got vaccinated at the time/when it was available not because I had to (I wasn't on any extreme side of either spectrum on mask/vaccine debates). But recall how annoying it was to show the vaccine record to enter restaurants, etc. The awkward 'do I put a mask on now or not in 2022'. The flight travel PCR test along with vaccine proof then putting a mask on to go through security with all masks off at the gate, back on again when on the plane, then all off once food/drink comes. So many redundancies.

Poor you, being "annoyed".

It wasn't about you though.

Just like it wasn't about the freedom convoy.

It was about protecting the immunodeficient.

your take really highlights however that conservatism isn't about fiscal responsibility... it's about selfishness.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The important part is bolded.

Is controlling the checks and balances any different than removing them?
They're not going to appoint anyone who doesn't answer to them.

[Ashartus]

I'm thinking of voting for the Canadian Future party - they don't have a chance, but seem to have a somewhat sane platform. Since my riding isn't really in play no point in voting strategically and might as well vote in line with my beliefs.

[Scrambler]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Are you willing to encourage your party away from the far right fringe?

That's occupied by the completely irrelevant PPC, I wish that party would get dissolved.

I actually think the CPC and LPC at their cores are almost too fundamentally similar in principle, exclude the extremeish fringes on both sides as they are pretty irrelevant and shushed quickly, lol.

I'm not super Conservative, I am not affiliated in either direction. I just am unsupportive of the LPC this time around. I voted for Kent Hehr in 2015 so I'm 'part of the reason' for the last decade I suppose.

Main point is that is I don't think a Conservative gov't is all doom and gloom. It's likely they don't get that chance anyway (no chance for me to be proven right). But that's ok too I guess, as I mentioned earlier whoever wins will have a tough go at it.

And yes (thankfully) we are nowhere near the American way of far right vs Centre but the two party system is the way we are trending.

[flamesfever]

If or when Carney is elected, I will be looking for:

1. The cessation or slow impeded development of our oil and gas

2. Slow growth with increased spending accompanied by rising interest rates

3. Companies moving out of Canada

4. Possible collapse of house prices

5. Potential conflicts of interest e.g. Brookfield

6. Probable increased areas of taxation e.g. capital gains

Just the way I see it. There's no way one man can turn that party around.

[KelVarnsen]

Ffs

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Scrambler

That's occupied by the completely irrelevant PPC, I wish that party would get dissolved.

I actually think the CPC and LPC at their cores are almost too fundamentally similar in principle, exclude the extremeish fringes on both sides as they are pretty irrelevant and shushed quickly, lol.

I'm not super Conservative, I am not affiliated in either direction. I just am unsupportive of the LPC this time around. I voted for Kent Hehr in 2015 so I'm 'part of the reason' for the last decade I suppose.

Main point is that is I don't think a Conservative gov't is all doom and gloom. It's likely don't get that chance so I can be proven right, but that's ok too I guess, as I mentioned earlier whoever wins will have a tough go at it.

And yes (thankfully) we are nowhere near the American way of far right vs Centre but the two party system is the way we are trending.

I agree with you in general but think the current Conservative party is letting that fringe take too much control. It's no longer a fringe at that point, it's the party.
PP had a real opportunity to go after centrist voters and gave up on it. That tells me he is the fringe himself.

Hopefully if they lose, they move back towards the centre and we do end up with both main parties away from the fringes; but I'm not hopeful on that.

But in general, I see what you're saying and respect your reasoning.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Ffs

He forgot to add that people will be eating their neighbours dogs and children will be forced to become transgender.

[Yamer]

The same people who were "fooled" by the UCP in Alberta either clearly haven't learned a thing, or were entirely well aware of what they were voting for in the first place.

Really, only a fool or a ghoul would look at that and ask for more on a national scale.

[puffnstuff]

Technically they're not talking about removing them...

Well technically I didnt punch that guy in the face, he moved his face very fast into my fist. Its the same result though, he has a broken nose

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You do know you weren't forced to do anything right?
You could have chosen not to take the vaccine, and that decision, like any decisions, had consequences such as not being able to travel.
But no one tied you down and injected you.

It's not that simplistic. There were organizations (including mine) who mandated people get two vaccination shots to remain employed. Not being able to travel is one thing, but not being employed is a different situation.

This was the policy announcement:

(Company) has a duty to provide a safe workplace, and this includes taking appropriate steps to reduce the risks associated with COVID-19 in the workplace. Throughout the pandemic, (Company) has carefully
considered health and safety protocols, policies, guidance and recommendations from medical experts and other officials.

Accordingly, effective January 10, 2022 all staff will be required to provide proof of vaccination, or in the alternative, will be required to submit proof of a negative COVID test, taken at the employee’s expense, within 72 hours of their scheduled attendance at work in the (Company’s) downtown
offices.

Any employee who refuses to provide proof of vaccination, and/or refuses to provide proof of a negative COVID test, will be placed on an unpaid leave of absence until such time as the employee complies with this policy, this policy is amended and the employee is in compliance with the amended
policy, or the policy is rescinded.

Accommodation will be made on a case by case basis for those who are unable to be vaccinated due to circumstances protected under the Alberta Human Rights Act.

[GGG]

They clearly gave you an option to private test if you weren’t vaccinated.