Vancouver is No Good IV: "There’s not even anything to look ahead to.”

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just a stunning failed re-build.
I thought they were on track with a starting netminder (Demko), strong centers (Petey, Horvat, Miller) and a blueline led by Hughes.
It's just all fallen apart.

It doesn't get talked about enough, but for me the mistakes started when they dealt Horvat and it's been compounding since.

They weren't keeping Horvat and Hronek has been wonderful.

For me it was bringing in Tocchet. His mismanagement of personnel on and off the ice has directly led to a lot of this. The more we found out as the season went on just blew my mind. Him having Miller go after Pettersson to motivate him (despite them having a history) then singling out Miller for his attitude over his demeanor with Pettersson. Regularly complaining to the media that players are not doing the things he is asking them to do or are outright defying his game plan... while changing nothing with those players and then punishing young players who attempt to do different things. Trying to change Pettersson's play style to something he is obviously uncomfortable with. Demanding a large blueline even at the expense of puck movement and skating ability then creating an offensive system that plays through the back end with only two players capable of doing it because four players are big and not much else.

In the end, he was brought in by head office because he was cheap and known to them. He's everything I was worried he was going to be outside of a 6 month period from the end of his first year and February of his second year. Since then he has been the same coach he was in Tampa and Phoenix. Boring, uninspired and unprepared to coach in the modern NHL, relying on strategies and a style of play that hasn't worked since Tocchet was a player.

The team's success hinges on Pettersson, as right now the difference in this team making and missing the play-offs is his production and to a lesser extent Demko's health assuming Lankinen turns back into a pumpkin. If this team is going to be so dependent on Petey, the coach needs a plan that uses him effectively or the team needs a coach that is willing to use him effectively. Tocchet is giving massive Tortorella "Sedins need to block shots" vibes with what he is trying to do with Petey.

The expectation is Tocchet is going to be re-signed shortly, and I am just not interested in watching more of this. Losing is fine. Being boring is a cardinal sin in entertainment. Being boring and losing is going to free up a lot of season tickets, as it should. I sincerely hope they take the obvious failures from the system and personnel from this season and make adjustments but Tocchet failed to do that at every one of his stops as a head coach and I assume this will be no different.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Everyone is wrong about the underlying cause of this flop that the Canucks have done.


This is what you get when your previous generation were celebrated for being the most embarrassing diving team in the entire history of the league and who were full of rats that would even pull hair.


They Canucks organization and fan base embraced those filthy teams, and now they don't deserve to have nice things for a while until they suffer a while.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

They Canucks organization and fan base embraced those filthy teams, and now they don't deserve to have nice things for a while until they suffer a while.

I guess the question is then: What happened that is forcing the Flames fans to suffer horribly as they watch Edmonton flourish

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I guess the question is then: What happened that is forcing the Flames fans to suffer horribly as they watch Edmonton flourish

We signed too many Dirty Canucks

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I guess the question is then: What happened that is forcing the Flames fans to suffer horribly as they watch Edmonton flourish

Winning the cup at the Forum.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I guess the question is then: What happened that is forcing the Flames fans to suffer horribly as they watch Edmonton flourish

Spoiler!

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Winning the cup at the Forum.

Talking about the 80s like the closet Oiler fan I always knew you were!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

I guess the question is then: What happened that is forcing the Flames fans to suffer horribly as they watch Edmonton flourish

Oilers are on the brink of disaster...blowing 4 first overall picks and all those top 10s.

Zero cups, not even a division title

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just a stunning failed re-build.
I thought they were on track with a starting netminder (Demko), strong centers (Petey, Horvat, Miller) and a blueline led by Hughes.
It's just all fallen apart.

It doesn't get talked about enough, but for me the mistakes started when they dealt Horvat and it's been compounding since.

They reminded me of the Flames.

Both teams had surprising, early success in their rebuild, and decided to go for it a season or two early. Neither team could sustain any success despite having really strong regular seasons every couple of years.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

They weren't keeping Horvat and Hronek has been wonderful.

For me it was bringing in Tocchet. His mismanagement of personnel on and off the ice has directly led to a lot of this. The more we found out as the season went on just blew my mind. Him having Miller go after Pettersson to motivate him (despite them having a history) then singling out Miller for his attitude over his demeanor with Pettersson. Regularly complaining to the media that players are not doing the things he is asking them to do or are outright defying his game plan... while changing nothing with those players and then punishing young players who attempt to do different things. Trying to change Pettersson's play style to something he is obviously uncomfortable with. Demanding a large blueline even at the expense of puck movement and skating ability then creating an offensive system that plays through the back end with only two players capable of doing it because four players are big and not much else.

In the end, he was brought in by head office because he was cheap and known to them. He's everything I was worried he was going to be outside of a 6 month period from the end of his first year and February of his second year. Since then he has been the same coach he was in Tampa and Phoenix. Boring, uninspired and unprepared to coach in the modern NHL, relying on strategies and a style of play that hasn't worked since Tocchet was a player.

The team's success hinges on Pettersson, as right now the difference in this team making and missing the play-offs is his production and to a lesser extent Demko's health assuming Lankinen turns back into a pumpkin. If this team is going to be so dependent on Petey, the coach needs a plan that uses him effectively or the team needs a coach that is willing to use him effectively. Tocchet is giving massive Tortorella "Sedins need to block shots" vibes with what he is trying to do with Petey.

The expectation is Tocchet is going to be re-signed shortly, and I am just not interested in watching more of this. Losing is fine. Being boring is a cardinal sin in entertainment. Being boring and losing is going to free up a lot of season tickets, as it should. I sincerely hope they take the obvious failures from the system and personnel from this season and make adjustments but Tocchet failed to do that at every one of his stops as a head coach and I assume this will be no different.

Is Rutherford that stubborn that he doesnt want to admit Tocchet was a mistake? Or does Rick have blackmail on him or something?

[Sylvanfan]

I see Blaster is here foing his Baghdad Bob impression.

[FBI]

I'm not sure I would use the word "Flourish" to describe the Oilers lol
maybe "Fluoride" like what they need to put in the water?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The No Good started when the Canucks hit the ice October 9, 1970.

It was pretty cool when Cyclone Taylor dropped the puck for the ceremonial faceoff in the Canucks' very first home game. All downhill from there.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I see Blaster is here foing his Baghdad Bob impression.

I too remember Baghdad Bob going on tv and saying "Saddam Hussein is a terrible leader and needs to be replaced." That's etched in my brain.

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Is Rutherford that stubborn that he doesnt want to admit Tocchet was a mistake? Or does Rick have blackmail on him or something?

Truthfully? I have no idea. But I'd guess stubborn.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

They reminded me of the Flames.

Both teams had surprising, early success in their rebuild, and decided to go for it a season or two early. Neither team could sustain any success despite having really strong regular seasons every couple of years.

That's every Canadian team for the last 30 years. None of these franchises have been willing to stomach a full top to bottom rebuild, taking steps and cutting corners to try and accelerate everything.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

They are gold medal mental gymnasts over there.

Check in when things are going well and pretend they never left (with maximum smugness), check out when it falls apart as it usually does.

And the occasional instance when they're caught going all in on the team with nowhere to hide/retreat and it backfires (as it does because, Canucks) they take to the streets and riot.

Canucks fans in a nutshell.

[Reggie Dunlop]

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

They actually have done a decent job with the blue line. Not long ago it was Quinn Hughes and... no one, Tyler Myers was playing first pairing minutes. Now they have Hughes, two other solid top 4 dmen in Hronek and MPettersson, and some young guys with potential to be solid if unspectacular in Willander, EPettersson, Mancini, Kudryavtsev and possibly Mynio. Seems reasonable to expect at least one or two of those guys to be players... and that's despite trading Hunter Brzustewicz.

Yet in the meantime, the forward corps has completely imploded. When they had 2 100 pt center plus Horvat they arguably had the best or near best center depth in the NHL. Now they have arguably the worst, and no one in their system who has even the slightest chance of being a top 6 C.

Maybe they massively overpay Sam Bennett to get him out of Florida but I doubt he wants to leave... just no solutions available really.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by FBI

I'm not sure I would use the word "Flourish" to describe the Oilers lol
maybe "Fluoride" like what they need to put in the water?

"Flush" defines the Oilers.

[chummer]

Now Tocchet might not be back, as well Pettersson petulant and aloof with the media today. What a ####show in Vancouver-

https://twitter.com/user/status/1913324408401440807

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by chummer

Now Tocchet might not be back, as well Pettersson petulant and aloof with the media today. What a ####show in Vancouver-

I sincerely hope he is not. I wish nothing but the best on Philadelphia. I hope Michkov can tone down his skill to appease Rick Tocchet.