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Old 04-16-2025, 12:25 PM   #9461
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Red states zero chance...blue maybe for something specific.
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Old 04-16-2025, 12:28 PM   #9462
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I definitely get the sense that they are sweating over the tourism boycott even more than tariffs in some regions.

Andrew Chang has a good piece recently uploaded that talks about the economic fallout and it sounds like it could be significant.
It’s not just Canadians either. I work in tourism and I’ve chatted with many international visitors in Vancouver who are also boycotting and avoiding the U.S. The ones who still want to have that North American experience are now taking their vacations in friendly, safe places like Canada and Mexico instead.
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The thing is ICE and Customs can still detain you even in blue states. Until there is an ironclad guarantee we can go to California or New York or wherever and not get detained, why take a chance?
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The thing is ICE and Customs can still detain you even in blue states. Until there is an ironclad guarantee we can go to California or New York or wherever and not get detained, why take a chance?
If I didn’t already have a “#### them” boycott going, I would 100% have a “I’ve talked #### about them online before and that’s enough reason for me to not go there right now” safety boycott in place.
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I definitely get the sense that they are sweating over the tourism boycott even more than tariffs in some regions.

Andrew Chang has a good piece recently uploaded that talks about the economic fallout and it sounds like it could be significant.
It's going to be significant and it threatens both sides of the border, we're not immune to the effects either. Already hearing rumors some Americans are rethinking trips to Canada as they feel the may not be welcome now. Also some significant potential cuts to our airlines, airports etc. as flights are cut back. I'm hearing WestJet is already considering potential layoffs, they have redeployed as many aircraft as they can but there is only so many routes to fly. And Air Canada has an even larger transborder presence.
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Old 04-16-2025, 01:05 PM   #9466
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It's going to be significant and it threatens both sides of the border, we're not immune to the effects either. Already hearing rumors some Americans are rethinking trips to Canada as they feel the may not be welcome now.
So far it hasn’t seemed to affect where I work yet. We’re still seeing plenty of American tourists every day. Although a lot of them I’ve spoken with seem to be from the west coast states for the most part. I’m sure the longer this trade war goes, we’ll probably start seeing less Americans over time. My company is hoping that we can balance that out with more international visitors. We’re doing much more advertising overseas right now than we would normally do.
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Old 04-16-2025, 01:27 PM   #9467
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It's going to be significant and it threatens both sides of the border, we're not immune to the effects either. Already hearing rumors some Americans are rethinking trips to Canada as they feel the may not be welcome now. Also some significant potential cuts to our airlines, airports etc. as flights are cut back. I'm hearing WestJet is already considering potential layoffs, they have redeployed as many aircraft as they can but there is only so many routes to fly. And Air Canada has an even larger transborder presence.
Then they can't really go anywhere, can they. The reputation of Americans right now is pretty much the same everywhere (except maybe in Russia). They should just do what they do everywhere else and wear tiny maple leaves.

And yeah, that is unfair to all the Americans who oppose Trump and all his policies.
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Old 04-16-2025, 01:47 PM   #9468
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It's going to be significant and it threatens both sides of the border, we're not immune to the effects either. Already hearing rumors some Americans are rethinking trips to Canada as they feel the may not be welcome now.
Quite the opposite IMO... if an American is coming here for their vacation now it's part political statement of support and part concrete action to help via direct cash injection. I'm more than happy to welcome Yanks up here right now and make it clear that our problem isn't with them but their government. The majority of them are from northern / blue states anyway.
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Quite the opposite IMO... if an American is coming here for their vacation now it's part political statement of support and part concrete action to help via direct cash injection. I'm more than happy to welcome Yanks up here right now and make it clear that our problem isn't with them but their government. The majority of them are from northern / blue states anyway.
The article I read on this said the concern was about how they would be perceived while discussing their political opinions. How about they be normal and just keep that to themselves?
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Quite the opposite IMO... if an American is coming here for their vacation now it's part political statement of support and part concrete action to help via direct cash injection. I'm more than happy to welcome Yanks up here right now and make it clear that our problem isn't with them but their government. The majority of them are from northern / blue states anyway.
There’s also no danger of Americans being detained or deported to a foreign prison when they cross into Canada, so the majority of them likely feel very safe coming up here.
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Old 04-16-2025, 02:00 PM   #9471
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I know that Facebook comments are usually a cesspool of garbage, racism and ignorance but recently I read through numerous comments on the subject "Americans, how do you feel about Canadians?"

It was 100% positive, full of apologies and very kind words. Reminded me that there are a lot of progressive, intelligent people down there who feel the same way about the orange clown. That being said, I'm not ready to forgive those who voted him in.

I've calculated that I've been to the US on almost 30 separate trips, I've hit 19 NHL rinks, numerous concerts, many road trips. But I'm done with that country for the next few years, there are so many other destinations around the world that I would rather visit.
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Old 04-16-2025, 02:02 PM   #9472
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There’s also no danger of Americans being detained or deported to a foreign prison when they cross into Canada, so the majority of them likely feel very safe coming up here.
Yeah, I imagine any anxiety they'd have would be at the border when they return home and face American border guards.
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Should set up a new travel website called booking.naw
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Old 04-16-2025, 02:49 PM   #9474
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I definitely get the sense that they are sweating over the tourism boycott even more than tariffs in some regions.

Andrew Chang has a good piece recently uploaded that talks about the economic fallout and it sounds like it could be significant.

Good video and almost therapeutic to watch. I had my doubts that people would actually boycott travel, but this is good to see. Wife and I took a Vegas trip for her bday in February a few weeks after Trudeau's press conference. I felt guilty AF for us going, but the trip was non-refundable and my wife had waited for her American visitor visa for almost 2 years and was super excited to go for the first time.

The check-in line at the airport was still full, but almost an uneasy feeling standing there. I imagine most were also on the same non-refundable Expedia package we had. We had a blast in LV, but also understand that we definitely won't be going back any time soon, not even to transfer to a flight to Europe. We discussed it's a pity we wasted the $250 fee for her visa application, but it's the principle of it.

It won't even be enough for me to return if the US has another election and a Democrat president wins and sweeps both the Senate and House. That's not good enough, not when in 4 years we get to play this game again. I'll be ready to consider a return when someone there actually shows some ####ing balls and proceeds to put Trump where he belongs. Not just Trump, but those surrounding him that have made this entire fiasco possible. I never want to hear another AG whine to the press that " a bad precedent will be set" if we imprison a president. Other countries can do it. Few are more deserving than Donald.
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Good video and almost therapeutic to watch. I had my doubts that people would actually boycott travel, but this is good to see. Wife and I took a Vegas trip for her bday in February a few weeks after Trudeau's press conference. I felt guilty AF for us going, but the trip was non-refundable and my wife had waited for her American visitor visa for almost 2 years and was super excited to go for the first time.

The check-in line at the airport was still full, but almost an uneasy feeling standing there. I imagine most were also on the same non-refundable Expedia package we had. We had a blast in LV, but also understand that we definitely won't be going back any time soon, not even to transfer to a flight to Europe. We discussed it's a pity we wasted the $250 fee for her visa application, but it's the principle of it.

It won't even be enough for me to return if the US has another election and a Democrat president wins and sweeps both the Senate and House. That's not good enough, not when in 4 years we get to play this game again. I'll be ready to consider a return when someone there actually shows some ####ing balls and proceeds to put Trump where he belongs. Not just Trump, but those surrounding him that have made this entire fiasco possible. I never want to hear another AG whine to the press that " a bad precedent will be set" if we imprison a president. Other countries can do it. Few are more deserving than Donald.
I fear Trump is just the first in a long line of Trumps to come. America may be over.
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Has there been an impact on tourism within Canada? I'm assuming American tourism to Canada might also decline, but perhaps that gets made up by an increase in domestic tourism.
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I fear Trump is just the first in a long line of Trumps to come. America may be over.

I don't see any way that it isn't over. The sane part of the country is extremely right wing by most measures, and the MAGA wing is obviously over the deep end, and will happily cut off their own noses if they own the libs while doing so.



Am I reading this wrong, or is there truly no way out of this, even if fair and open elections are held in both 2026 and 2028? I think that country is dead .....
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Old 04-16-2025, 03:26 PM   #9478
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Has there been an impact on tourism within Canada? I'm assuming American tourism to Canada might also decline, but perhaps that gets made up by an increase in domestic tourism.
Anecdotally, my sister works for a resort management company with a number of properties across BC. When I was talking to her a bit over a month ago she said their reservations for this year were already at "unprecedented" levels. It sounds like they are pretty much full for the summer.
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I still travel to the US regularly for work. Not going to lie, this stuff is in the back of my mind these days.

I guess I'll keep my passport on my person at all times.
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I mean we've heard of white Europeans being detained, so white is alright isn't even a given. I think to be safe everyone travelling there needs to create a burner phone with a bunch of pro-Trump social media posts. And just to be extra safe, much like Americans use Canadian flags and other things to deceive foreigners into thinking they are Canadian cause everyone hates Americans, get some MAGA gear to wear down there. Should be ok then, I think...
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