[PGT] Flames lose 4-3 in OT

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Originally Posted by The Cobra

Huberdeau stuck on 59 points, needs one more to break the 50 point cycle.

While he looks so much better this year, his point total hasn't largely increased notwithstanding a huge jump in shooting percentage.

I think his large amount of primary assists vs. secondary assists means he's not getting any cheap points this year.

Yeah - everything tends to reasonably balance out eventually.

- Individual shooting percentage unsustainably high - a few more goals
- Secondary assist rate unsustainably low - a few less assists
- All situation on-ice shooting percentage right in line with career average - total points right about where they should be.

The only other caution is 37% of his points coming on the powerplay which is quite high for a forward and likely bound for some mean reversion is the coming years. But smaller impact - 2 or 3 points.

In any event, disappointing to see him disappear the last 10 days.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

Yet another punted season by this team. At least it wasn’t a complete waste of a year now that we can see something special in Wolf.

Conroy should be under some level of scrutiny for being neither a buyer or seller at the deadline. Missing the playoffs & losing the first rounder was a fumble on his part and not a great sign that he believed this team could be better than they were all year.

Hello 9th in the west my old friend.

He didn't lose a first rounder. It's a swap of picks that could end up being relatively small.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It is kinda crazy

Stars blow 5-2 lead in 3rd
Wild blow 7-4 lead in 3rd
Flames blow 3-1 lead in 3rd

Something in the water

It's Huska's fault!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Pretty typical for the Flames to finish 9th in the conference. Not bad enough to get a great draft pick. Not good enough for the playoffs.

I know you can't fault players for trying, but man being a Flames fan is rough lol.

We all knew this was coming. "Mushy middle."

You can probably go back to early season predictions and there they are.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Pretty typical for the Flames to finish 9th in the conference. Not bad enough to get a great draft pick. Not good enough for the playoffs.

I know you can't fault players for trying, but man being a Flames fan is rough lol.

It's such a repetitive and tiring narrative that completely ignores all the clear reasons why this season isn't like past seasons, and doesn't warrant that level of fan malaise.

[Sylvanfan]

Yeah at this point the Flames are Joe Pesci in the grave with the dirt coming down hot and heavy.

The pessimist in me sees a team that's missed the playoffs three straight years and has Parehk to show for it and likely two picks in the late teens or early 20's this year.

Coronato and Wolf both look like really good future pieces, and to me Zary is a decent piece but more 4 to 6 forward material. Klapka could be intriguing, but more of a support part. So in a way...you are waiting for the 2026 draft as your chance to start adding a top line talent to a group sorely lacking and it might be a decade until this team makes the playoffs again at this pace.

The team generally played hard, but they lacked the horses to really play with better teams. Until they're willing to start trading more veterans with term left on their contracts it's going to be a really long rebuild with limited upside.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Minny only needs 1 point in three games. We're toast. It just ain't gonna happen.


Why Huska didn't call a T/O is puzzling. Oh well, we all learn by our mistakes. Him too.

Why would you call a time out just because the other team scored one goal?
Or do you mean after the game tying goal?

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He didn't lose a first rounder. It's a swap of picks that could end up being relatively small.

How do you figure that? A swap would mean we would be getting a pick in return wouldn’t it? Either way we were losing a draft pick, now we have to lose our best pick on the year.

[Bingo]

I'm just glad it's not pick 11, and that Jersey and Florida haven't performed as well as many thought.

Take the small wins.

Oh and Kadri's value is in the equation too if you're balancing things out.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you watched any of the Wild/Sharks game, and saw Celebrini and Smith perform, yes we currently aren't SJ bad, but they will eventually pass us with the elite talent they are assembling.

Nailing a draft where you pick in the 20's is not assembling elite talent.

What is falling into place is the continuation of bubble hockey.

I think Anaheim will be a playoff team as early as next season. The Sharks might be Oiler like flashy that scores more. But the Ducks are starting to round out a bit here with a couple of decent young defenceman they have. We might see the 2006 to 2017 years play out again with these two teams in short order.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

How do you figure that? A swap would mean we would be getting a pick in return wouldn’t it? Either way we were losing a draft pick, now we have to lose our best pick on the year.

I think he means swap with Florida's. Yes, they give up their highest pick but the gap might not end up being as far as we thought and they get a similar player. They might even get the player they would have drafted anyway like with Zary.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just glad it's not pick 11, and that Jersey and Florida haven't performed as well as many thought.

Take the small wins.

Oh and Kadri's value is in the equation too if you're balancing things out.

If you want to include Kadri into the mix it would be silly to not include Monahan as a counter point. Monahan has been a PPG player (~50 games) and is only 11 points back of kadri in 28 fewer games, plus the benefit of being younger.

I wouldn’t really call anything this year a win, no playoffs, no high first round pick, no high end forward prospects, Frost and Farabee havent been producing, at least we had stellar moments from Wolf and the Parekh question mark. This season was just a wash.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Locke

We all knew this was coming. "Mushy middle."

You can probably go back to early season predictions and there they are.

Only the biggest homers and pessimists had this team in a mushy middle finish. Majority thought bottom ten

[Jason14h]

Monahan was a UFA . So I don’t think it should “count” per se

Of course if they kept him they prob resign him but it feels the 2 parties had chose to separate

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

If you want to include Kadri into the mix it would be silly to not include Monahan as a counter point. Monahan has been a PPG player (~50 games) and is only 11 points back of kadri in 28 fewer games, plus the benefit of being younger.

I wouldn’t really call anything this year a win, no playoffs, no high first round pick, no high end forward prospects, Frost and Farabee havent been producing, at least we had stellar moments from Wolf and the Parekh question mark. This season was just a wash.

Not really. Flames could have signed Monahan if they wanted and even after his first season in Montreal. That trade stopped when Monahan’s contract stopped

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Pretty typical for the Flames to finish 9th in the conference. Not bad enough to get a great draft pick. Not good enough for the playoffs.

I know you can't fault players for trying, but man being a Flames fan is rough lol.

The NHL needs to consider allowing 10 teams per conference to qualify for the playoffs. Especially since it is clear the NHL plans to expand to 34 teams. Too many competitive teams with winning records finding themselves on the outside looking in.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

If you want to include Kadri into the mix it would be silly to not include Monahan as a counter point. Monahan has been a PPG player (~50 games) and is only 11 points back of kadri in 28 fewer games, plus the benefit of being younger.

I wouldn’t really call anything this year a win, no playoffs, no high first round pick, no high end forward prospects, Frost and Farabee havent been producing, at least we had stellar moments from Wolf and the Parekh question mark. This season was just a wash.

For sure.

The Monahan asset is gone. Period.

But they moved him with a 1st to sign Kadri and they still have him.

Monahan was a UFA in a year and likely gone anyway. Now if they didn't deal Monahan does he have the same season and get dealt to Winnipeg for a 1st? Or does he play a limited role and not get traded at all?

Now it's rabbit hole time!

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Not really. Flames could have signed Monahan if they wanted and even after his first season in Montreal. That trade stopped when Monahan’s contract stopped

That actually doesn’t make the point you think it makes, using your thought process here we could have kept our first rounder and Monahan (without kadri) and be in (IMO) a way better position to be in than where the team sits right now.

I think the Monahan to MTL trade was awful from Treliving, and Conroy did no favours this year with his inaction at the deadline. That inaction from Conny makes me think he lacks direction or the fortitude to execute it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just glad it's not pick 11, and that Jersey and Florida haven't performed as well as many thought.

Take the small wins.

Oh and Kadri's value is in the equation too if you're balancing things out.

Exactly.

Worst case scenario was giving MTL the #11 pick and then receiving the 28-32 pick from FLA. We don't know yet what their pick will be, but they aren't winning the division, so unless they go to the conference finals, it will be in the 20-22 range.

So we are likely looking at a deficit of 5 or 6 picks vs our own (as opposed to 18-20). Small price to pay for a season that had a LOT of positives, including a goalie that is emerging into a potential star.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

That actually doesn’t make the point you think it makes, using your thought process here we could have kept our first rounder and Monahan (without kadri) and be in (IMO) a way better position to be in than where the team sits right now.

I think the Monahan to MTL trade was awful from Treliving, and Conroy did no favours this year with his inaction at the deadline. That inaction from Conny makes me think he lacks direction or the fortitude to execute it.

After dealing a third of his team the previous year?

Come on ...

He set prices and they weren't met.
He honoured no trade clauses.

Plenty to be upset about in this world without fabricating new ones.