2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Sharks have a lot more than "50 points".

They have a very stacked prospect pool that covers everything from #1C (potentially a couple of them), top line wingers, excellent LD, and a top tier goalie in Askarov. Basically all they are missing is some RD depth.

With 4 picks in the first 2 rounds of this draft, including #1 overall (depending on the lottery), they can load up even more this summer.

Unless they make some bonehead moves that really screw up the team, they are primed to climb out of their rebuild within the next couple of years. I would expect next year they take enough of a step to be a bubble team instead of a bottom feeder.

Even though I agree that guys like Frost and Klapka have a very good chance on improving significantly on what the provided this year, I don't see how anyone can say Toffoli is SJ's leading goal scorer, so they aren't going anywhere. Celebrinni looks like a superstar. Smith has high end potential and has played better as the season has gone on and they have way more cap space than the Flames next year. I can see Celebrinni being a PPG player and maybe 90-point player next year.

If the plan is the end rebuilding and start to win, they can finish ahead of the Flames next year. Depends on the plan though.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Lol pot calling the kettle black, Flames in playoff race and you are throwing in the towel on next season.

Sorry someone calls out your nonsense.

Frost, Klapka, Zary, Coronato, all yet to have their best seasons. Potential star dman coming as soon as next season. Your narrative that the Flames are on a massive downswing is wrong IMO. Lets see I guess.

Next season could go either way and I think a lot of it hinges on Andersson. If Andersson is gone then our second pairing could be Bean/Solovyov and Pachal. That might be a good third pair but as a second pair..... ouch. Parekh will help but you can't expect him to fix our D group in his rookie year.

The forward group should be largely the same, which will make it difficult for any of our prospects to break through, especially since they are pretty much all wingers.

If our scoring stays as bad as it is and our D declines at all then I would expect the team to drop in the stanidngs.

[dino7c]

Good thing nobody said that

I said they have 50 points (fact)
Eventually they will improve...they arent gaining 40-45 points next season, its not happening.

Tyler Taffoli is their leading goal scorer by 6 goals though. They have a ways to go

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That has always been an issue for the Flames. Never leaving enough spots for guys to take them. We did it with Wolf, but even wingers this year not a lot spots opened until injuries.

Whatever they did with Wolf has it not worked? They've developed him into a #1 goalie ahead of the timeline for most goalies.

Seems like they handled him really well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Whatever they did with Wolf has is not worked? They've developed him into a #1 goalie ahead of the timeline for most goalies.

Seems like they handled him really well.

So far Conroy has proven to be different that previous GM's when it comes to this.

[dino7c]

Flames arent just gonna trade #4 for a pick and not add anything else and just go into the season

I dont think some grasp how bad the bad teams in the league are. It could go sideways for a year and they might be a Seattle or Utah. They will not be a SJ or Chicago. Sorry to burst any bubbles.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Good thing nobody said that

I said they have 50 points (fact)
Eventually they will improve...they arent gaining 40-45 points next season, its not happening.

Tyler Taffoli is their leading goal scorer by 6 goals though. They have a ways to go

While I agree with you overall in this argument... its worth noting that the Devils had a 49 point improvement (63pts to 112pts) from 2021/22 to 2022/23

Big jumps are rare but possible especially with young superstars coming into their own.

That said the Devils obviously imploded the following season and dropped to 81 points and missed the playoffs by a wide margin.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames arent just gonna trade #4 for a pick and not add anything else and just go into the season

I dont think some grasp how bad the bad teams in the league are. It could go sideways for a year and they might be a Seattle or Utah. They will not be a SJ or Chicago. Sorry to burst any bubbles.

I agree, we will not be going full tank to Chicago or SJ's level. But the rest of the teams didn't plan to be where they are and have a shot at a star player. This is what I'm hoping for as the rest aren't that bad.

Nashville was one of the biggest spenders this past off season. I said from day 1 I hated what they did but they didn't plan to tank.

Flames won't either and Conroy likes seems to like to have a succession plan for players. I do see almost all parties being happy with the Flames direction this summer. I see some vets moving out and assets flipped for younger players. Frost, Farabee and Cozens (almost) were moves Conroy was looking at and I still him moving guys out in the summer to make room for more youth.

[Ped]

The thing everyone likes to forget is that development is not always linear. There is not always progression and improvement from year to year. A lot of Flames made some strides this year but that doesn't meant it will be the same next year. A lot of young Sharks look really impressive but maybe there is slumps or regression or whatever.


Joe Juneau had 193 points in his first 161 games, and never scored more than 64. There are countless examples out there.

[dino7c]

The thing about young star scorers is they usually give up as much or more than they score. SJ will be a while yet, years IMO

[dino7c]

Flames will have a calder finalist this season...they might have another next year. This isnt the old bubble teams of the late Iginla era.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The thing about young star scorers is they usually give up as much or more than they score. SJ will be a while yet, years IMO

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames will have a calder finalist this season...they might have another next year. This isnt the old bubble teams of the late Iginla era.

The Sharks have one of the other Calder finalists this year and likely will again next year...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Whatever they did with Wolf has is not worked? They've developed him into a #1 goalie ahead of the timeline for most goalies.

Seems like they handled him really well.

Isn't that what I just said?

If Sharngovich doesn't get injured we don't know what the wings look like since that is the reason Honzek got in the lineup.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Sharks have one of the other Calder finalists this year and likely will again next year...

Careful, they will start calling you a Sharks fan.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The guy is horrible - one of the laziest players in the league. Just watch him on Coleman's shortie - absolutely embarrassing.

Honestly, I think some fans just watch highlights. And yes, Zegras can make some plays when he feels like it. But the guy is useless - worse than useless, most of the time.

Zegras has been shackled in Anaheim where they are trying to force him to be a two way player instead of letting him just be the flashy skill.pkayer he is. Combine that with the fact he hates the GM and wants out of there and he isn't going to show much. Kid has lots of skill and talent and just needs a change of scenery. That being said he would run into the same coaching issue here so as long as we are running the current system he would be in the same boat.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Marner would score 100 pts with the Flames? That's asking him to do a lot of heavy lifting to do that on one of the lowest-scoring teams in the league. Even if adding Zegras

Marner would be a 70 point player at best in this system.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He has had great chemistry with Lomberg, they seem to find each other on the ice. His overall numbers are underwater but his xGF is at a even 0.

It's people like Dino who ruin threads. Him and dissentowner just come in to create pissing matches all the time.

Or we post something optimistic and it sends you off tilt because if the Flames are not struggling you are miserable. What a way to be a fan lol.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Even though I agree that guys like Frost and Klapka have a very good chance on improving significantly on what the provided this year, I don't see how anyone can say Toffoli is SJ's leading goal scorer, so they aren't going anywhere. Celebrinni looks like a superstar. Smith has high end potential and has played better as the season has gone on and they have way more cap space than the Flames next year. I can see Celebrinni being a PPG player and maybe 90-point player next year.

If the plan is the end rebuilding and start to win, they can finish ahead of the Flames next year. Depends on the plan though.

Celebrini is 2nd in points, and has 21 goals. Toffoli has 28 goals and his 3rd in points.

Top 5 point players on the Sharks by age. 21, 18, 32, 32, 19. Flames 33, 31, 30 ,21. 32.

I know which roster I am choosing, and has a greater chance for success.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wolven

The Sharks have one of the other Calder finalists this year and likely will again next year...

The debate was about next season...it was suggested the Sharks improving somehow makes it easier for a Flames tank. The Sharks are irrelevant to the Flames next season.

[Bonded]

No matter what this offseason will be interesting. If Conroy goes and locks down some Neals and Brouwer I’ll be perturbed