2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[blankall]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Huberdeau-Kadri-Marner
Zary-Zegras-Coronato
Farabee-Frost-Sharangovich
Coleman-Backlund-Klapka
Lomberg

Hanley-Weegar
Pachal/Bean-Andersson
Bahl-Parekh

Wolf

That's a competitive lineup IMO. Also a very expensive 4th line, maybe you move out Coleman, instead of burying him on the 4th line.

I think people are really underestimating the difference a consistent 100 point player would have on this roster. Marner is also a bit like Gaudreau was, in that he's a great playmaker and does a lot of the work of a centre but never had the physical presence to play in the centre position.

That being said, with the Flames luck, Marner somehow digresses into a 60 point player and the Flames are still grinding out 3-2 wins.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

The only way it makes sense for me is if the Flames can trade for another young centre. Say you sign Marner, but also find a way to maybe trade for a bit of a reclamation project in someone like Zegras. Maybe for our Florida 1st?

Huberdeau-Kadri-Marner
Zary-Zegras-Coronato
Farabee-Frost-Sharangovich
Coleman-Backlund-Klapka
Lomberg

Hanley-Weegar
Pachal/Bean-Andersson
Bahl-Parekh

Wolf

With continued progression for Zary and Coronato, along with maybe a change of scenery providing Zegras a bounce back, those forward lines are full of depth and perhaps slot Backlund into a better spot to focus on defense since his offensive game seems to have fallen off a cliff. Flames draft a centre this year and work to fill up the centre depth with our 1st this year and 2 1sts next year to prepare for Backlund eventually retiring.

Parekh adds a new offensive aspect to the backend and hopefully improves the PP along with Marner being a speedster who I think would mesh well with Kadri and Huberdeau. Then we have D prospects like Mews, Bruz, Poirier, Morin and Poirier ready to jump in and fill spots taken by Hanley/Bean/Pachal at some point. Pachal seems like a perfect 6/7 D but Bean and Hanley are good stop gaps for the time being.

Then Wolf in net. I like the look of that lineup.

This team looks like a borderline playoff tea, still, even if Zegras plays like he did when he first made the NHL.

I think this team would make it though, but still not a threat to win once we are there. I also put some numbers in and it probably is over the cap depending on what Marner gets and what contracts Coronato, Zary and Bahl get.

The following year we need to pay Wolf. We would get better but then be in a bad spot very soon and looking to rebuild in 2-3 years. Might as well do it now.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

That's a competitive lineup IMO. Also a very expensive 4th line, maybe you move out Coleman, instead of burying him on the 4th line.

I think people are really underestimating the difference a consistent 100 point player would have on this roster. Marner is also a bit like Gaudreau was, in that he's a great playmaker and does a lot of the work of a centre but never had the physical presence to play in the centre position.

That being said, with the Flames luck, Marner somehow digresses into a 60 point player and the Flames are still grinding out 3-2 wins.

The common assumption that people make is players will play the same with a reduced role. Adding depth like that will take away ice from someone else. I agree you could try and ditch players that will lose ice.

Marner in does what for Coronato or Huberdeau? Someone is moving off the 1st line and 1st PP. We are stuck with Huberdeau and Coronato is going to get paid. Sign Marner IMO you need to look at moving 1 of Zary or Coronato for good picks, they might cost $7 mil per year and lose ice with Zegras and Marner coming in.

Same goes for Frost or Kadri, adding Zegras and playing him at center displaces one of them. Could trade Kadri before you reduce his ice. Or Backlund like you suggested. But as we move these players out, the team is losing depth and still lacks star power even with Marner.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

This team looks like a borderline playoff tea, still, even if Zegras plays like he did when he first made the NHL.

I think this team would make it though, but still not a threat to win once we are there. I also put some numbers in and it probably is over the cap depending on what Marner gets and what contracts Coronato, Zary and Bahl get.

The following year we need to pay Wolf. We would get better but then be in a bad spot very soon and looking to rebuild in 2-3 years. Might as well do it now.

In what way?

If Zegras is putting up 60 points again, you have:

Marner: 100 points
Huberdeau: 70 points
Kadri: 70 points
Zegras: 60 points
Zary: 50 points
Coronato: 50 points

Then a very solid bottom 6.

That's just about the most complete set of forwards in the league. A lot depends on Marner not falling apart upon arrival though.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

The common assumption that people make is players will play the same with a reduced role. Adding depth like that will take away ice from someone else. I agree you could try and ditch players that will lose ice.

Marner in does what for Coronato or Huberdeau? Someone is moving off the 1st line and 1st PP. We are stuck with Huberdeau and Coronato is going to get paid. Sign Marner IMO you need to look at moving 1 of Zary or Coronato for good picks, they might cost $7 mil per year and lose ice with Zegras and Marner coming in.

Same goes for Frost or Kadri, adding Zegras and playing him at center displaces one of them. Could trade Kadri before you reduce his ice. Or Backlund like you suggested. But as we move these players out, the team is losing depth and still lacks star power even with Marner.

Marner is playing with Huberdeau in that lineup. Theoretically, you'd assume Marner will actually increase Huberdeau's numbers.

Zary and Coronato would theoretically progess to 50-60ish point players. They look like they are destined to be 2nd line players, and not 1st line players anyways. You'd be moving Frost and Farabee to permanent 3rd line positions, which what they are most likely suited for. I think the odd man out is Coleman. You looks at moving Backlund before Zary or Coronato.

[gvitaly]

^ I don't see the Flames signing any UFA top 9 wingers in the offseason, barring several trades.

At this point I'm wondering which 2 wingers will get traded.

Need a top 9 wing spot(6/6): Huberdeau, Zary, Coronato, Farabee, Sharangovich, Coleman

Will benefit from playing in the top 9(2): Pospisil, Klapka

Prospects that have a good chance to be ready to start next season(4): Kerins, Stromgren, Honzek, Suniev

Longer shots: Gridin, Basha

I think that Coleman and Pospisil are the most likely to get traded. Sharangovich and Farabee would probably have the next best odds.

[Tbull8]

I think Farabee will be the Coleman replacement if we move him in the summer. Can't see us moving Farabee this soon

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

In what way?

If Zegras is putting up 60 points again, you have:

Marner: 100 points
Huberdeau: 70 points
Kadri: 70 points
Zegras: 60 points
Zary: 50 points
Coronato: 50 points

Then a very solid bottom 6.

That's just about the most complete set of forwards in the league. A lot depends on Marner not falling apart upon arrival though.

But you have a salary cap. It's maybe doable for 1 year and then Zegras, Rasmus and Wolf are RFA/UFA to go along with paying Marner, Coronato, Zary and Bahl this year. Sure, we could remove Backlund and Coleman, but the game is played at both ends of the ice. When the other team puts their superstar on the ice, we put Backlund out and he is out for a reason. Same goes for the 1st PK unit. Someone has to go in this scenario, and someone has to PK and check superstars. Frost? Kadri? Zegras? lol

Team looks worse when you remove some of the depth.

Contracts for our RFAs also could derail this plan.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But you have a salary cap. It's maybe doable for 1 year and then Zegras, Rasmus and Wolf are RFA/UFA to go along with paying Marner, Coronato, Zary and Bahl this year. Sure, we could remove Backlund and Coleman, but the game is played at both ends of the ice. When the other team puts their superstar on the ice, we put Backlund out and he is out for a reason. Same goes for the 1st PK unit. Someone has to go in this scenario, and someone has to PK and check superstars. Frost? Kadri? Zegras? lol

Team looks worse when you remove some of the depth.

Contracts for our RFAs also could derail this plan.

The Flames easily have the cap space to do this. I posted it before, but:

The cap is going up to $95.5 this year, from the current $88, to $104 million in 2026/27 and then to $113.5 million the year after.

The [Flames'] current cap hit is just over $70 million, and that's with Mantha and Markstrom's retention on the books.

I say move Coleman and hang onto Backlund.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by blankall

The Flames easily have the cap space to do this. I posted it before, but:



I say move Coleman and hang onto Backlund.

I would love to see the numbers. I have Cooley and Wolf in net and that exact roster at $100.5 mil. Not sure if you are penciling in contracts that just won't happen. Even if we bridge everyone and trade Coleman we barely are under.

What does Zegras want at 25 and coming off a 60+ point season?

Marner gets 100 without Matthews and Nylander and playing on a team that uses 2 PP units equally?

Rasmus next contract?

Wolf next contract?

Bridging everyone does what in 2 years?

Someone has to go.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Now sure if anyone watched Zegars last night. He is terrible.

Also going all in on a team led by 30 plus players is nuts, and also expecting 70 points from both.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Now sure if anyone watched Zegars last night. He is terrible.

Also going all in on a team led by 30 plus players is nuts, and also expecting 70 points from both.

Best case scenario it works for 1 year.

Signing Marner and not trading for Zegras makes more sense though. But i think it will take way too much money to outbid other teams.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wolven

So? Players don't die at 30. Most elite players can keep playing at a high level into their late 30s lol. Either way, trying to sign a #1C in 2026 makes more sense than trying to sign a #1RW in 2025.

It would be great if we have 2 top-5 picks in the system by July 2026 but I don't see how that happens. The only way I think we get 1 such pick is if the bottom feeders in the West all take a step toward contention mode or at least playoff bubble (Ducks, Sharks, Blackhawks, Preds, Kraken, UHC). With them moving up it would help drop the Flames down.

SHarks, Ducks and UHC all should take bigger steps next year. Blackhawks remain to be seen.

Preds might have a bounce back and fight for a wildcard. Kraken seem to be a year to year team.

Good chance the Flames are much worse next season. And yes signing 30 year old free agents is a mistake, we already have Huberdeau and Kadri and potentially ANdersson.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by blankall

In what way?

If Zegras is putting up 60 points again, you have:

Marner: 100 points
Huberdeau: 70 points
Kadri: 70 points
Zegras: 60 points
Zary: 50 points
Coronato: 50 points

Then a very solid bottom 6.

That's just about the most complete set of forwards in the league. A lot depends on Marner not falling apart upon arrival though.

The problem is there is zero chance every forward hits those point totals . Washington is the top scoring team this year and has 6 guys with over
60pts and only one of those is over 70

You projections make the Flames instantly the top scoring or close to team in the NHL moving from 3rd last year.

Marner and Zegras are no where near enough to move the needle that far

More likely Marner 80pts , Kadri and Huberdeau (fingers crossed ) 60 pts , and Zegras is you’re lucky 50 pts

That also assumes bounce backs for Zegras and Kadri and Huberdeau to hold their play at their ages (maybe offset getting Marner as a winger )

It’s might be a playoff team if a lot breaks correctly but isn’t a threat at all , capped out , and no real way to take the next step

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Now sure if anyone watched Zegars last night. He is terrible.

Also going all in on a team led by 30 plus players is nuts, and also expecting 70 points from both.

The guy is horrible - one of the laziest players in the league. Just watch him on Coleman's shortie - absolutely embarrassing.

Honestly, I think some fans just watch highlights. And yes, Zegras can make some plays when he feels like it. But the guy is useless - worse than useless, most of the time.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Best case scenario it works for 1 year.

Signing Marner and not trading for Zegras makes more sense though. But i think it will take way too much money to outbid other teams.

I understand the team is starved for star players up front, but we are in no position to go free agent shopping especially for wingers. It reeks of desperation and trying to hang around the wild card with no real shot at the next step.

I am sure Conroy is going to go after the big names, and I believe he will be shutdown on all of them. So hopefully they lean into sending some guys out.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

SHarks, Ducks and UHC all should take bigger steps next year. Blackhawks remain to be seen.

Preds might have a bounce back and fight for a wildcard. Kraken seem to be a year to year team.

Good chance the Flames are much worse next season. And yes signing 30 year old free agents is a mistake, we already have Huberdeau and Kadri and potentially ANdersson.

There are always bad teams...playoffs will be 90-96 points as usual. Some will go up and some will go down.

[Gordon Bombay]

If they somehow bring in Marner, I'd bring in Bennett as well.

Huberdeau - Kadri - Marner
Zary - Frost - Coronato
Pospisil - Bennett - Coleman
Farabee - Backlund - Klapka
Lomberg
Suniev
Kerins
Rooney

Trade Sharangovich if you can get anything and save some cap.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The guy is horrible - one of the laziest players in the league. Just watch him on Coleman's shortie - absolutely embarrassing.

Honestly, I think some fans just watch highlights. And yes, Zegras can make some plays when he feels like it. But the guy is useless - worse than useless, most of the time.

The bad far outweighs the good with him. He quit at the red line on the backcheck. I also think it was him who turned it over but I would have to go back and check.

He has also played 1 full season so far.

[Tbull8]

So 13+ for Marner and 8+ for bennett?