Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[direwolf]

Seems like it would be a lot easier for these separatist losers to just move to the U.S. on their own, no? You wanna become American? No problem. Pack up your s*** and leave. Good grief, these people are idiots.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Seems like it would be a lot easier for these separatist losers to just move to the U.S. on their own, no? You wanna become American? No problem. Pack up your s*** and leave. Good grief, these people are idiots.

America probably doesnt want them. Since you usually need to prove you have specialized skills or talents that an American worker either can't provide or isn't available to do, I'm assuming they got denied so they're doing it the hard way

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Old Preston is at it again. This time "Mark Carney poses a threat to national unity"



There's an orchestrated campaign here, with many voices raising the separation issue and Smith continually fanning the flames of disunity and threatening a national unity crisis. She denies pushing separation of course but is going to tour the province 'in case anyone has a referendum to propose'. F them all.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ational-unity/

How do you say you're a traitor without saying you're a traitor? This guy was running to be the Prime Minister of Canada?

But if the Liberals, employing the fear of U.S. President Donald Trump

...while employing fear by threatening to secede from Canada.

[Fuzz]

Big win. Big.

So dumb.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Seems like it would be a lot easier for these separatist losers to just move to the U.S. on their own, no? You wanna become American? No problem. Pack up your s*** and leave. Good grief, these people are idiots.

If it was that easy thousands of Canadians would move to the US for the weather alone.

[Slava]

I'm looking forward to Danielles victory lap on the tariffs, and in the meantime the provincial budget is getting slaughtered.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

I'm looking forward to Danielles victory lap on the tariffs, and in the meantime the provincial budget is getting slaughtered.

It's a good thing we used this period of stability in oil prices to get off the resource revenue roller coaster. Phew!

[Fuzz]

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Holy ####, she honestly believes an unrestrained Donald Trump is what is best for Alberta, despite the fact that he just took our biggest revenue generator and fed it through the wood chipper. Like, I know she's dumb as ####, but this is a new reach even for her.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://bsky.app/profile/disorderedy.../3llws6v5quk2n


Holy ####, she honestly believes an unrestrained Donald Trump is what is best for Alberta, despite the fact that he just took our biggest revenue generator and fed it through the wood chipper. Like, I know she's dumb as ####, but this is a new reach even for her.

She’s doing what she’s told.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://bsky.app/profile/disorderedy.../3llws6v5quk2n


Holy ####, she honestly believes an unrestrained Donald Trump is what is best for Alberta, despite the fact that he just took our biggest revenue generator and fed it through the wood chipper. Like, I know she's dumb as ####, but this is a new reach even for her.

Is that what she actually said though? She said Canada's energy industry has found many projects they can collaborate on with the US with, ONCE (hopefully) we can get passed the uncertainty of the tariff war. Her FEAR is that Trump's terrible policies, which are doing damage to America, Canada and the world, go on too long long and the industry can't collaborate going forward.

Put another way in a different context. Joe Biden's first order of business was to kill the Keystone XL pipeline for political, environmental reasons despite it being sound energy policy for the US. Fast forward a little over a year later the concerns with Russia/Ukraine and the associated costs for American's, Biden unleashed the US strategic oil reserve to help with energy costs that were at first dismissed. Poor energy policy from the Biden administration is one of the reasons why we have Psycho man in office.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by D as in David

How do you say you're a traitor without saying you're a traitor? This guy was running to be the Prime Minister of Canada?



...while employing fear by threatening to secede from Canada.

If there was a God, Preston manning should have died of covid 4 years ago.

He is such a piece of crap we need to rename all Ernest Manning schools.


hmm come to think of it, he is one of the main reason why the Cons will never win another Federal election with his Manning institute pieces of crap! So thanks Ernest Goes to Deplorable School!

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

If there was a God, Preston manning should have died of covid 4 years ago.

He is such a piece of crap we need to rename all Ernest Manning schools.


hmm come to think of it, he is one of the main reason why the Cons will never win another Federal election with his Manning institute pieces of crap! So thanks Ernest Goes to Deplorable School!

I fully agree. I almost wonder if Preston is paid by the liberals because he and his crew of tards are so hugely adept at sewering anything on the right.

Wouldn't surprise me if The Rebel was secretly backed by the NPD/Liberals. That would be such a cool development.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Is that what she actually said though? She said Canada's energy industry has found many projects they can collaborate on with the US with, ONCE (hopefully) we can get passed the uncertainty of the tariff war. Her FEAR is that Trump's terrible policies, which are doing damage to America, Canada and the world, go on too long long and the industry can't collaborate going forward.

Yes, that’s literally what she said. Her fear is that the tariff war will harm US citizens too much and THUS cause the Republicans to lose the midterms.

Why make stuff up? It’s literally on video.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Is that what she actually said though? She said Canada's energy industry has found many projects they can collaborate on with the US with, ONCE (hopefully) we can get passed the uncertainty of the tariff war. Her FEAR is that Trump's terrible policies, which are doing damage to America, Canada and the world, go on too long long and the industry can't collaborate going forward.

Put another way in a different context. Joe Biden's first order of business was to kill the Keystone XL pipeline for political, environmental reasons despite it being sound energy policy for the US. Fast forward a little over a year later the concerns with Russia/Ukraine and the associated costs for American's, Biden unleashed the US strategic oil reserve to help with energy costs that were at first dismissed. Poor energy policy from the Biden administration is one of the reasons why we have Psycho man in office.

You just made a bunch of stuff up because you are one of those people that doesn't believe the words people say.

What she said was, and it was very clear, her concern is if democratic voters get too upset with Trump, they'll neuter his powers at the mid terms by electing Democrats. Then, the brilliant Smith concludes, that would be bad for Alberta. Ignoring absolutely all the other awful horrible things Trump is doing that will be bad for Alberta and Canada. She ignores this because she's a huge Trump fangirl and has built her party around the same discriminatory, anti-science, anti-intellectual, Christofacist policies that are now tearing the US to pieces. To turn on Trump would be to turn on herself.

You are right about her concern being with oil, because it's bubbled up so far in her head she can't even see past it.

And to be clear, if we had KXL we'd be in an even less likely position to diversify our exports now, so bullet dodged(and I was for KXL at the time).

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by fotze2

I fully agree. I almost wonder if Preston is paid by the liberals because he and his crew of tards are so hugely adept at sewering anything on the right.

Wouldn't surprise me if The Rebel was secretly backed by the NPD/Liberals. That would be such a cool development.

I can also see this as a coordinated ploy by the conservatives to give a metaphorical layup for Poilievre to come across as standing up for Canada against Trump. Manning had nothing to lose; he probably still has some old reports he can sell to the UCP in the coming years if his revenue falls.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I can also see this as a coordinated ploy by the conservatives to give a metaphorical layup for Poilievre to come across as standing up for Canada against Trump. Manning had nothing to lose; he probably still has some old reports he can sell to the UCP in the coming years if his revenue falls.

It's like boobbus giving money to gramps every year... well for being her gramps. lol

Giving him our money!

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You just made a bunch of stuff up because you are one of those people that doesn't believe the words people say.

What she said was, and it was very clear, her concern is if democratic voters get too upset with Trump, they'll neuter his powers at the mid terms by electing Democrats. Then, the brilliant Smith concludes, that would be bad for Alberta. Ignoring absolutely all the other awful horrible things Trump is doing that will be bad for Alberta and Canada. She ignores this because she's a huge Trump fangirl and has built her party around the same discriminatory, anti-science, anti-intellectual, Christofacist policies that are now tearing the US to pieces. To turn on Trump would be to turn on herself.

You are right about her concern being with oil, because it's bubbled up so far in her head she can't even see past it.

And to be clear, if we had KXL we'd be in an even less likely position to diversify our exports now, so bullet dodged(and I was for KXL at the time).

I am not sure what I made up, everything I said was factual and in essence what she said. Taking out any actual political bias and looking at facts on the ground, was there anything said in the clip that is actually flat out wrong when speaking to the specific topic, which is Canada's energy industry?

Republican administrations are more in favor of support for oil and gas. The current President wanted KXL and wants more energy projects/low cost energy solutions. If industry officials on both sides of the border are in agreement for collaboration if and when tariff war subsides , why would that be a bad thing for Canada's number 1 industry by GDP? I am not referring to Canada as a whole but the industry which is what she was referring to. This environment isn't good for anybody but let's say cooler heads prevail soon with this man (1 man) made chaos and things stabilize.

Would other Presidential candidates previously or future progressive candidates be better suited for helping Canada's energy industry, which should be 10-15 X larger than the auto industry?

Effectively and bottom line she said that her fear is energy friendly Republicans may lose the midterms due to stupidity and that would negatively affect Canada's energy industry as a whole. I am not sure what is so controversial about that statement. Smith deserves some blame for some of her stances on some things for sure but I don't think that statement is really out of line in context to the energy industry.

[KelVarnsen]

No

[PepsiFree]

Canada is rightly concerned with getting off the US teet and we have curves patting Smith on the back for stating her biggest fear is the Republicans losing power because it might make us less dependent on the US.

Completely idiotic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I am not sure what I made up, everything I said was factual and in essence what she said. Taking out any actual political bias and looking at facts on the ground, was there anything said in the clip that is actually flat out wrong when speaking to the specific topic, which is Canada's energy industry?

Republican administrations are more in favor of support for oil and gas. The current President wanted KXL and wants more energy projects/low cost energy solutions. If industry officials on both sides of the border are in agreement for collaboration if and when tariff war subsides , why would that be a bad thing for Canada's number 1 industry by GDP? I am not referring to Canada as a whole but the industry which is what she was referring to. This environment isn't good for anybody but let's say cooler heads prevail soon with this man (1 man) made chaos and things stabilize.

Would other Presidential candidates previously or future progressive candidates be better suited for helping Canada's energy industry, which should be 10-15 X larger than the auto industry?

Effectively and bottom line she said that her fear is energy friendly Republicans may lose the midterms due to stupidity and that would negatively affect Canada's energy industry as a whole. I am not sure what is so controversial about that statement. Smith deserves some blame for some of her stances on some things for sure but I don't think that statement is really out of line in context to the energy industry.

First off, it's not our # industry by GDP. Yes, it is significant.



You state many things the current president is in favour of, and things that may happen. I think it's foolish to begin to think you can assume anything about Trump, and it would be even more foolish to enter into economic plans with him. Carney is right, it's over. Time to stop pretending it isn't. "Let's say cooler heads prevail" is not a strategy.


Her fear is she's going to lose the chance she thinks she has to leverage Alberta against Canada. And even if you believed she was somehow capable of pulling off any sort of deal (and I'd really have to question your intelligence based on her past deals) you are still gambling on Trump caring at all about any other country and how it works out for them. That's dumb. I don't want to tie my horse to a crazy train. I certainly wouldn't be leveraging our province's economic future on it.