Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Well just because your employer can’t figure it out when others can doesn’t mean the code is the problem.

Even in Alberta you can’t just fire employees without cause in most cases.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t you just fire someone for any reason (or no reason) so long as you give the proper notice/severance?

I’m under the impression that if an employer feels they can’t fire someone, it’s because they don’t want to pay the severance. In which case a lawyer isn’t going to get them reinstated, they’re just going to get them their severance.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Well if he is somehow federally regulated, which is a remote possibility depending on what they actually do or handle, then there is some truth to that. The federal labour law is completely terrible and it almost is impossible to get rid of an employee, it’s probably easier if you had a union to be honest. It’s bad legislation.

He's not.

Justin Trudeau didn't create Part 3 of the CLC.

[cral12]

"Bleeding Money: Alberta’s Private Health Shift

The UCP’s surgical initiative has crimped care and raised costs, concludes a report. It’s not a new pattern."

https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/04/02/B...e-Health-Shift

[woob]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...Page18855.aspx

April 1, 2025

EDMONTON — In September 2024, Alberta Health Services (AHS) approved changes to the way food is supplied in our emergency departments and other non-inpatient areas. This policy was supposed to take effect on April 1, 2025.

After media reports surfaced, the Minister of Health raised concerns about the implementation of this policy and asked me to look into reports that food and drink may not have been made available to patients.

The proposed policy was not meant to deprive patients of food. What was meant to change is how food is stored and delivered to patients in an effort to reduce waste that is occurring in our hospitals. I have reviewed this policy which was brought forward prior to my arrival at AHS and, after feedback from clinicians, have decided that AHS will not move forward with these changes.

We are concerned by the misinterpretation of this proposed policy and are looking into reports that food and drink may not have been available to patients.

We remain focused on delivering high-quality care to all Albertans where and when they need it.

Andre Tremblay
Interim President and CEO
Alberta Health Services

If anyone believes this pls contact me, I have a bridge for sale

What a croc of ####z.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Correct me if I’m wrong, but can’t you just fire someone for any reason (or no reason) so long as you give the proper notice/severance?

Short answer is typically yes if you’re not subject to a collective agreement where the employer needs just cause to terminate your employment. If the termination was done in violation of the human rights act you could be entitled to damages but you’d have to file a complaint and potentially litigate that.

I’m under the impression that if an employer feels they can’t fire someone, it’s because they don’t want to pay the severance. In which case a lawyer isn’t going to get them reinstated, they’re just going to get them their severance.

Yeah it’s very rare for a non-unionized employee to be reinstated after wrongful termination. Typically just comes down to how much money they owe you for doing you dirty. I’m always amazed by how many people don’t understand how few rights they actually have as an employee.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I work in a federally regulated company and the bar is very, very high, such that our legal counsel has made it clear how high the risk of reinstatement is if someone chooses that route. Maybe our legal counsel is very conservative, I don’t know, but all I know is that even with generous severance it seems there’s pretty big risk.

So I do deal with this and we are frustrated by the way it is being applied and not blowing smoke. Again, maybe we are just risk adverse, but I think there’s some flaws here.

My issue with it is sometimes it’s best to just part ways, and it seems hard to do that.

Your lawyers are being conservative (which is fair, their job is to highlight risk so you don't sue them). They will say, worst case: reinstatement with back pay (less mitigation earnings)

Reinstatement is extremely low. Typically, both parties don't want to return to the status quo; but it is used by employees to attempt to get a better severance package.

I worked at a Federally regulated company doing this very thing, and i would say about 2% of claims went to adjudication. Most settled for severance of some sort.

Adjudication also takes 3-5 years to even get to. by that point, employees have moved on with their lives.

CLC Part 3 is very similar to many European countries employment laws. It's not out of line with much of the developed world. I will admit it's hard on small companies who lack the sophistication and support to properly manage an employee's termination; but the vast majority of federally regulated companies are massive.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by cral12

"Bleeding Money: Alberta’s Private Health Shift

The UCP’s surgical initiative has crimped care and raised costs, concludes a report. It’s not a new pattern."

https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/04/02/B...e-Health-Shift

Do you mean to say that adding a profit layer to public health care will make public health care more expensive? Shocked! I wonder where the money for the profits is coming from? I wonder if the surgical backlog was related to the number of qualified surgeons, rather than the lack of some private intermediary.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Has there ever been a bigger gap in politicians?? Nenshi vs Smith lol.

Even bigger than Clinton vs Trump or Harris vs Trump.

Danielle Smith being premier is what essentially forced Nenshi to even run for provincial office. He thought he was retired from politics!

[curves2000]

Slightly off topic but the issue we kind of have in Canada is trying to have a public/private system that is still publicly paid for my taxpayers as opposed to by patients/clients/insurance companies.

We are somewhat trying to jam square pegs into round holes which is where we end up with a lot of issues. I am more in favor of the European style hybrid system as opposed to the US system.

This is a very basic, back of napkin math loosely highlighting some of the issues. We have very highly respected professionals like eye surgeons, radiologists, cardiologists etc that do amazing work. They are also paid quite well and rightfully so, but do make less than US counterparts. Eye surgeons and radiologists are being paid fee's for a lot of services that at one point took a very very long time to perform. Radiologists made actual film and eye surgeons used to take a long time for something like cataracts, now both of these are done in the span of minutes.

It's not uncommon to have these specialties billing close to or above $1 million a year doing a lot of amazing work.

Fast forward to your typical family Dr and they are doing a ton of very very heavy lifting for the healthcare system and they are able to bill out a 15 minute appointment for $50 minus their expenses.

An AHS knee surgery in hospital may pay the surgeon $1500 but a private practice can't sustain that fee minus all of their expenses for staff, equipment, rent, IT and on and on.

Some of these private clinics and private enterprises like family Dr's, surgeons, long term care homes and other so called private businesses are making deals with the government for payment. The costs associated with running those businesses is sky high but it's the government who is footing almost all of the bill. Government's in Canada either need to drastically up funding to the tune of hundreds of billions a year or we need to legally allow people to pay significant portions of expenses out of pocket or with insurance if they so wish. Here we are trying to sell us that Canadians are all equal, equal treatment, equal medication, nobody skips the line etc and most of the expenses are paid for by the provinces. The true costs of the system are not being borne by everybody to the degree that is needed.

I see that with friends who have parents with dementia in long term care. "We only pay $100 a day" and then proceed to have some level of complaints for the care. What is a plumber charging on a 24 hour basis for service in your home in a hypothetical scenario? $4000+ parts.

[edslunch]

Old Preston is at it again. This time "Mark Carney poses a threat to national unity"

Voters, particularly in central and Atlantic Canada, need to recognize that a vote for the Carney Liberals is a vote for Western secession – a vote for the breakup of Canada as we know it. If you couldn’t care less about the concerns or actions of Western Canada, then ignore this unsolicited advice. But understand that separation of the resources-based economic engine of Western Canada from what’s left of the rest of Canada will have dire economic and social consequences for the latter.

Secondly, Western political leaders need to provide a mechanism for recognizing and addressing the growing support for Western secession in an orderly and democratic manner, so that its support and leadership are not surrendered to extremists or eccentrics for lack of thoughtful consideration of how best to proceed. Initially, this mechanism need not be a Western secession party after the Quebec model of the Parti or Bloc Québécois, but rather a democratic forum to first consider various alternative courses of action.

For example, consideration should be given to organizing a “Canada West Constitutional Conference” as soon as possible after the federal election, with a flexible agenda and the backing of at least one provincial government.

If there is a genuinely new federal government after April 28, then the agenda of that conference should be twofold: first, to constructively address ways and means of co-operating with that government to redress the damage done to Western Canada by a decade of Liberal neglect and misrule, and second, to consider how best to negotiate new and better Canada-U.S. trade relations.

But if the Liberals, employing the fear of U.S. President Donald Trump to secure the support of easily frightened voters, should be returned to office, then the agenda of the conference should be to consider ways and means of peacefully seceding.

There's an orchestrated campaign here, with many voices raising the separation issue and Smith continually fanning the flames of disunity and threatening a national unity crisis. She denies pushing separation of course but is going to tour the province 'in case anyone has a referendum to propose'. F them all.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ational-unity/

[Fuzz]

Preston Manning and his cadre of stupid are the only ones stoking separation. I bet if we got rid of them the separation problem would go away, too. Let's try that, first.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

https://www.albertahealthservices.ca...Page18855.aspx

April 1, 2025

EDMONTON — In September 2024, Alberta Health Services (AHS) approved changes to the way food is supplied in our emergency departments and other non-inpatient areas. This policy was supposed to take effect on April 1, 2025.

After media reports surfaced, the Minister of Health raised concerns about the implementation of this policy and asked me to look into reports that food and drink may not have been made available to patients.

The proposed policy was not meant to deprive patients of food. What was meant to change is how food is stored and delivered to patients in an effort to reduce waste that is occurring in our hospitals. I have reviewed this policy which was brought forward prior to my arrival at AHS and, after feedback from clinicians, have decided that AHS will not move forward with these changes.

We are concerned by the misinterpretation of this proposed policy and are looking into reports that food and drink may not have been available to patients.

We remain focused on delivering high-quality care to all Albertans where and when they need it.

Andre Tremblay
Interim President and CEO
Alberta Health Services

If anyone believes this pls contact me, I have a bridge for sale

I am biased as I do not eat a tonne. I was astounded how much food I got for the six days I was in intensive care. First meal after getting sawed open and being basically dead to a machine for 6 hours on morphine. Butter Chicken and a coffee and 14 other things that were grotesque. Wife and I actually laughed. The worst hangover feeling times a millions and butter chicken hospital cafeteria blend. How bout toast?

SO I choke down a bite, and you know its the toppest notch of indian cuisine. Puke on my wife because the nurse handed me a plate to puke into/onto. A vessel with a quarter inch gradual height. You can't puke onto a plate. You are a nurse and puke is a new thing that a plate is what I should puke into?

So I started puking into the piss jug that some guy had next to me that my wife grabbed to be courteous to the nurse and all my 3 roommates.

Every day at 6:30 am they would wake you up to tell you your next 7 course meal of little vomit piles was there to be devoured. Lady, I just fell asleep from the moaning of the 3X90 year olds in the same room and alcoholic buddy next to me who's liver drain started leaking smell. PS. That is the blackest fluid I have ever seen. Its like if feces on its worst day decided to have cancer.

By the time I was able choke 1/3 of it down, lunch would arrive with warmer piles of garbage, then dinner. I was always surprised. Stop bringing this because I feel guilty throwing it out so you have to manage all this crap to try and avoid throwing it out. Maybe my kid will eat whatever this is.

Took me to day 6 to say stop bringing this stuff since I'm throwing out 80% of it. Jesus Christ, how much do people eat? We are supposed to be sickly in the cardiac ward. How about we don't need to stuff so much stuff in our facehole.

I also do not think they should be looking at cutting costs in that area whatsover. It cannot cost much and people need some comfort at those times. Maybe these are really good meals for some people and that's worth it 200%.


Anyway I needed to offload that. sorry.

[Paulie Walnuts]

WTF Preston Manning is still alive.

[puffnstuff]

Preston can slither back under his rock anytime now.

[Muta]

These people don't seem to care that the vast, vast majority of Albertans, or Western Canadians, don't want to cede or separate from Canada. Insane how the lunatic right-wing minority gets so much runway to voice their opinion in media. They should be rightfully laughed at, if not outright ignored.

[Fuzz]

"The response that we're getting, quite frankly, from the present U.S. administration is very positive. We've been advised that the interest in what we're doing is extremely high, and certainly everything that we've seen indicates that this is far from a fool's errand," said Jeffrey Rath, an Alberta lawyer leading the delegation, during a press conference last week held just off the lobby of a well-known Calgary hotel. The conference wasn't well publicized, and it was obscurely signed — if you knew, you knew — and was thus populated by about 80 fellow travellers of the Alberta independence movement.

"We've been advised by the people we're speaking to in the States to not disclose who it is that we're talking to at this point," Rath said. But the goal is clear. They're going to Washington to meet with representatives of the Trump administration to "determine the level of support that the government of the United States would be prepared to provide to an independent Alberta."

Admittedly, they're only independent citizens — former Premier Jason Kenney called Rath a “treasonous kook” — though the press conference featured one former Conservative MP, LaVar Payne, and the U.S. delegation will reportedly include former Conservative MP Rob Anders.

The group claims support from more, including former members of Parliament, and current sitting members of the provincial legislature. While they're not acting as representatives of Alberta, they do believe they have a "strong mandate, given the will of the people of the province of Alberta for independence at 37 per cent."

https://www.readtheline.ca/p/jen-ger...ot-sending-our


Traitorous swine.

[puffnstuff]

They foiled our plan taking the cancer kids popsicles...how else can we hurt kids? Ive got it...

Alberta
Children and
Family Services

Memorandum

March 31, 2025

Dear Child and Youth Support Program Caregiver;

Each year, the Ministry of Children and Family Services (CFS) is tasked with establishing the budget for all services provided through our Ministry. This includes frontline Child Intervention services, as well as specialized programming such as the Child & Youth Support Program (CYSP).

CFS Budget 2025 was passed on March 28, 2025, and focuses on prioritizing core intervention programs that keep children safe, support early intervention for children, youth and families and assist Albertans who experience family violence and sexual violence. This focus has meant changes to other areas, including the CYSP, which will be discontinued as funding for the program has ceased.

As of March 28, 2025, CFS will no longer accept any new applications or process any annual eligibility reviews. Further to this, all benefits will cease as of September 1, 2025, and your final financial benefit will be July 28, 2025, for the month of August. This means, effective September 1, 2025, CYSP caregivers will no longer be receiving CYSP funds or other supports.

I want to acknowledge that this announcement may be difficult to hear and that it affects each of you differently, as well as the children and youth that you have opened your homes to.

Although CYSP financial, medical/dental and supplementary benefits will no longer be available to caregivers, there are other government supports and programs that may provide supports and resources. These include the Alberta Child and Family Benefit, the Alberta Child Health Benefit, the Canada Child Benefit as well as resources and services provided by Family Resource Networks across the province. For more information on available supports, please visit the following sites:

https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-child-and-family-benefit

• https://www.alberta.ca/alberta-child-health-benefit

• https://www.canada.ca/.../child-familv.../canada-child-

benefit-overview.html

• https://www.alberta.ca/family-resource-networks

• https://www.alberta.ca/child-care

I encourage you to work with your CYSP coordinator and reach out to the resources listed above to apply for other programs and benefits you may be eligible for.

Sincerely

David Wheeler,

Assistant Deputy Minister,

Child Intervention Delivery Division

[Fuzz]

Those traitor trips to the States aren't free, something had to go. And you know how much they care about children from the crocodile tears they get when they talk about taking their rights away.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://www.readtheline.ca/p/jen-ger...ot-sending-our


Traitorous swine.

What support will the USA give an independent Alberta?

are you serious?

As much support as it takes to fully engulf the Country of Alberta into USA 51

This is always the plan though no?
Small increments of somewhat supportable issues to get to the point of installing the unsupportable issue (i.e. healthcare). USA is always the goal for these kooks, but they know most people hate that. So independence, and when that fails, we need access to the sea, we join the US

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cappy

What support will the USA give an independent Alberta?

are you serious?

As much support as it takes to fully engulf the Country of Alberta into USA 51

These people are so ####ing stupid they shouldn't be permitted to leave their house, let alone pretend they advocate for the rest of us.