Yeah, He/The Liberals should run with that.
It's kind of perfect for a campaign slogan.
With context of what we have going on around us, it's perfect.
"Canada Will" _______________
Just an ad with that emblazoned and all the things that Canada Will do or help going next to it. No partisan party logos, no talk about what other countries are doing. Just a positive message about what we as a country will do going forward to fix this mess someone else has made for us. And it's like Carney knew that with the way he paused and then emphasized it.
You’re assuming the person in question supports the CPC because of those particular policies and not in spite of them. That’s the same outlook conservatives demonstrate when they say only Canadians who are onboard with corruption could vote for the Liberals. Most people aren’t passionate, blank-cheque enthusiasts for everything the party they vote for does.
How far are you willing to extend that?
"Listen, I'm only voting for the Nazis, in spite of their antisemitism, because I prefer their economic policies."
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I agree with all of that, with a couple of addendums... I would say that wilful ignorance about harm is almost as bad as a deliberate intent to harm.
I would also say that anti-LGBT measures have always been, in some measure, implemented by virtue of the complicity of ignorant and frightened people in an effort to "protect children" somehow - which we rightly scoff and roll our eyes at, but a lot of people actually believe that that's what they're doing by fighting against the "trans agenda", as they did against the "gay agenda". That's horrific and obviously misguided, but the reality is that in an actual democracy like this one you can't accomplish evil without convincing well-meaning people to do horrific things, usually by scaring them into it by offering them a bogeyman. So even factoring in intent, it's not straightforwardly just a bunch of people whose intent is purely malicious.
This is essentially the entirety of the history of bigotry. It's almost always rooted in fear.
Early 20th-century antisemitism, for example, is rooted in the fear of a secret, powerful, cabal that feasts on the blood of gentile babies.
This is essentially the entirety of the history of bigotry. It's almost always rooted in fear.
Early 20th-century antisemitism, for example, is rooted in the fear of a secret, powerful, cabal that feasts on the blood of gentile babies.
That is scarily similar to a secret cabal operating a child slavery ring out of the basement of a pizza joint.
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You new here? I'm not picking on him but that's rube in a nutshell. Seems like a guy that's maybe has his heart in the right place but also very angry.
Nah, it's called empathy. I have a lot of friends, from all walks of life, and I tend to listen to them when they tell me how these policies make them feel.
I guess you could say I'm angry that people don't have enough empathy to care how their votes directly affect the safety of the people I care about, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that someone doesn't have questionable morals when they're willing to risk the health and safety of others for a few more dollars in their bank accounts.
I get that all parties have policies that can indirectly affect outcomes, but that's not the same as parties who explicitly develop their policies around hate, fear, and malice.
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As someone who self-identifies as a centrist, the concept of the "enlightened centrist" is a joke. The "Both Sides, Many Sides" bull #### we see spewed is just not it. Do I like it when a left wing environmentalist protests and locks down the Iron Workers and makes my commute take twice as long? No. But to try and equate that with someone locking down a major downtown core to preach hate under the guise of "freedom" is asinine. Protesting because you think the planet is on a dangerous precipice and protesting because you hate "fags and vaccines" are not the same.
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Empathy is greatly lacking in our society. Part of what guides my political voting and views is whatever party takes care of those in society who are less fortunate or less able (is that a PC way to say that? I'm not up on the latest terminology). I understand people don't agree with that view and feel that economy must be above all else, but it's only one part of my decision making process when voting.
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With context of what we have going on around us, it's perfect.
"Canada Will" _______________
Just an ad with that emblazoned and all the things that Canada Will do or help going next to it. No partisan party logos, no talk about what other countries are doing. Just a positive message about what we as a country will do going forward to fix this mess someone else has made for us. And it's like Carney knew that with the way he paused and then emphasized it.
Imagine the CPC with that slogan.
"Canada Will" DEPORT YOU!!!
"Canada Will" Take your health care away!!!
A former vice-president of the Union of British Columbia Indian Chiefs (UBCIC) wants the Conservative Party to drop its candidate in his riding over posts on social media that show "denial of residential school impacts."
"I find it extremely troubling that a candidate for any party could make such blatantly racist comments," said Bob (Galagame) Chamberlin, who served as UBCIC vice-president for 10 years and as elected chief of Kwikwasut'inuxw Haxwa'mis First Nation for 14 years.
Aaron Gunn made posts on X between 2019 and 2021 denying that Indigenous people faced a genocide in Canada and that "residential schools were asked for by Indigenous bands."
Gunn is now running as the Conservative Party candidate for North Island-Powell River.
A post from Gunn on X from October 2020 reads "There was no genocide. Stop lying to people and read a book. The Holocaust was a genocide. Get off Twitter and learn more about the world."
"Listen, I'm only voting for the Nazis, in spite of their antisemitism, because I prefer their economic policies."
I've said before, I know a bunch of people who say "I'm an economic conservative and socially moderate" who, some time later in the convo, start complaining about the "woke agenda".
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Trump has already talked about a third term because (a) he was supposedly robbed in 2020; (b) an arcane and bad argument about 2 terms having to be consecutive to bar him; and (c) because the people want it, so there.
You think he's joking? That's what people have said about a bunch of things before, and then he does them.
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I've said before, I know a bunch of people who say "I'm an economic conservative and socially moderate" who, some time later in the convo, start complaining about the "woke agenda".
Do you have any friends who are single women and use dating apps? Ask them about their experience with men who say they have "Moderate" politics on their dating profile.
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That’s fair, and I’m all for unity. But it’s also a privilege to ignore messages of hate and division because one isn’t part of a group that’s being actively targeted by those views. As a person of colour, I’m sorry but I can’t get along with people who actively support the use of terms like the “Chinese virus” or if not actively support, at the very least can’t seem to see why those terms are hurtful to me and damages the world my biracial children will inherit. Doesn’t mean I hate them, but I’ll probably keep an arms length.
Totally understood, and totally fair, but if you choose to, I think there is value in still interacting with those people.
As social interactions have become less physical and more online, we get to pick who we surround ourselves with, and naturally it's more likeminded people. It makes it easy to ignore and hate those that don't think like us.
Physical community is a vital way to change hearts/minds. As a person of colour, you may have a racist neighbour. People are generally less forthcoming in their views of hate in person. You may chat with your neighbour here and there as you're out mowing the lawn or whatever. Those interactions let your neighbour see you as a person, and may be the first step to changing their views.
That said, it could also just be a source of negative interactions for you, so you may say #### that neighbour and just have nothing to do with them, and that's totally reasonable too.
This guy, for example, is incredible:
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Totally understood, and totally fair, but if you choose to, I think there is value in still interacting with those people.
As social interactions have become less physical and more online, we get to pick who we surround ourselves with, and naturally it's more likeminded people. It makes it easy to ignore and hate those that don't think like us.
Again, there's a limit. I have friends who, in the past, voted Conservative, but have also changed their minds after discussion about their policies, bigotry, etc.
The people I don't have time for are the ones who have all of their arguments refuted with facts, etc., and still maintain their bigotry.
That’s fair, and I’m all for unity. But it’s also a privilege to ignore messages of hate and division because one isn’t part of a group that’s being actively targeted by those views. As a person of colour, I’m sorry but I can’t get along with people who actively support the use of terms like the “Chinese virus” or if not actively support, at the very least can’t seem to see why those terms are hurtful to me and damages the world my biracial children will inherit. Doesn’t mean I hate them, but I’ll probably keep an arms length.
Not sure if that was directed at me, or just a thought extrapolation from my post; but I'm certainly not suggestion to ignore things.
I'm a visible minority myself by the way, if that was implying something.
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The two teams thing is indeed stupid, but it’s even more stupid to behave as a populous to build an entire ideological platform that blames all of one’s woes on vulnerable people groups, espouse hateful or separatist rhetoric, and baseless anti-science agendas. I draw my line on the sand when one side is clearly being a lot more toxic than the other.
Treating these things like teams only makes people dig in deeper and go further to the extremes.
Social media is encouraging everyone to pick a side and argue to death.
I agree with all of the ideological points you've noted, but I think the team game is only spreading that virus.
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