Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Paulie Walnuts]

Just seen my old branch manager posing with PP as his profile pic. Glad I quit because I didn’t want to work for the suck ass. I know I made the right decision.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

They wouldn’t get 50.

https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/anti-...ps-current.pdf

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by rubecube

As we've seen in Alberta, Conservatives have always been on top of making sure industry cleans up the mess they've left behind them *cough*orphaned wells*cough*, with zero expense to the taxpayers.

Part of taking oil money is you gotta pay for cleanup from time to time. Even the biggest oil company in Alberta.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

As we've seen in Alberta, Conservatives have always been on top of making sure industry cleans up the mess they've left behind them *cough*orphaned wells*cough*, with zero expense to the taxpayers.

Outside of the federal government funding out of the COVID pandemic recovery the orphan well fund is funded by industry. Now the existing UCP government is retrying to change that but historically industry is taking care of industries liability.

The Narwhal has an excellent article on the topic but in general it’s active industry cleaning up their own wells because of AER regulation and industry cleaning up legacy wells from bankrupt companies.

https://thenarwhal.ca/alberta-regula...lities-report/

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by rubecube

https://www.arcc-cdac.ca/media/anti-...ps-current.pdf

Harper was anti-woman autonomy and I don't think he ever considered tabling a vote even with a majority. It is political suicide.

My issue is that the party is okay with this backward, barbaric thinking.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Harper was anti-woman autonomy and I don't think he ever considered tabling a vote even with a majority. It is political suicide.

My issue is that the party is okay with this backward, barbaric thinking.

The current party leaders have more to fear from their own party than the electorate. None federally or in Alberta Provincially have made it to a second election.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Just seen my old branch manager posing with PP as his profile pic. Glad I quit because I didn’t want to work for the suck ass. I know I made the right decision.

Your former manager may indeed be a suckass, but I hate how toxic politics is becoming in this country where people are drawing lines in the sand on friendships & relationships based on Liberal vs Conservative.

I've always hated how Americans are divided into 2 teams and often can't even get along with someone from the other team. It's a stupid way to behave as a populous.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Your former manager may indeed be a suckass, but I hate how toxic politics is becoming in this country where people are drawing lines in the sand on friendships & relationships based on Liberal vs Conservative.

I've always hated how Americans are divided into 2 teams and often can't even get along with someone from the other team. It's a stupid way to behave as a populous.

Oh no I hated him for a lot of other reasons. Didn’t even know about his political stance. Just seeing him with PP confirmed he’s a piece of ####. It’s not the party it’s the person PP is along with Smith. #### them both.

[Fuzz]

The Conservative Party has dropped a Toronto-area candidate who publicly supported a call for Canada to ship people to India where, it was suggested, they would face retaliation from the government.


Conservative Party spokesman Sam Lilly said Etobicoke North candidate Don Patel was removed and provided a screenshot of a Facebook post that he liked with a positive emoji.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/poli...e-to-india-to/


LOL.

[starseed]

Four down, but they are still keeping this guy:

Spoiler!

[rubecube]

Aaron Gunn is such a tool. I'm shocked he's still relevant.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Your former manager may indeed be a suckass, but I hate how toxic politics is becoming in this country where people are drawing lines in the sand on friendships & relationships based on Liberal vs Conservative.

I've always hated how Americans are divided into 2 teams and often can't even get along with someone from the other team. It's a stupid way to behave as a populous.

That’s fair, and I’m all for unity. But it’s also a privilege to ignore messages of hate and division because one isn’t part of a group that’s being actively targeted by those views. As a person of colour, I’m sorry but I can’t get along with people who actively support the use of terms like the “Chinese virus” or if not actively support, at the very least can’t seem to see why those terms are hurtful to me and damages the world my biracial children will inherit. Doesn’t mean I hate them, but I’ll probably keep an arms length.

The two teams thing is indeed stupid, but it’s even more stupid to behave as a populous to build an entire ideological platform that blames all of one’s woes on vulnerable people groups, espouse hateful or separatist rhetoric, and baseless anti-science agendas. I draw my line on the sand when one side is clearly being a lot more toxic than the other.

[rubecube]

Yeah, sorry, but I'm drawing lines if one of my friends aligns with policies that are actively harmful to another one of my friends.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Cappy

So how does Alberta, or the Government of Alberta, have the right to complain about federal taxation? it doesn't.

It's not Alberta's money. So the Alberta Government can shut the #### up about it.

That's a pretty terrible attitude when it affects the lives of all Canadians. It's incredibly clear that a successful Alberta contributes to a successful Canada, so this attitude hurts everybody.

If you do the lions' share of work at your company and add a ton of value, but your deadbeat co-workers go out of their way to screw you doing your job, you'd be pretty pissed if your boss said "it's not your money, it's the company's, so shut the #### up about it". I'd say that gives you a right to complain about why the company is actively hurting itself.

It's pretty sad that Alberta's stance is "hey we do a lot for this country, can you just help us keep doing that and more to make everyone's life better?", and the response is "it's not your money, shut the #### up".

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Your former manager may indeed be a suckass, but I hate how toxic politics is becoming in this country where people are drawing lines in the sand on friendships & relationships based on Liberal vs Conservative.

I've always hated how Americans are divided into 2 teams and often can't even get along with someone from the other team. It's a stupid way to behave as a populous.

It also ensures that in the long run, the right wins. The things moderates and the left want out of government - for public programs to be supported and effective longterm - require two things: consensus and continuity. Public programs need broad support, and the state needs to maintain them as control of government changes hands.

If society and politics become a zero-sum game of two intolerant factions throwing haymakers at one another, you can’t sustain these policies. Effective government needs a base level of social trust and cohesion to work. Of course this is hard to do when the platforms we use to communicate are designed from the bottom-up to foster animus and division.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Aaron Gunn is such a tool. I'm shocked he's still relevant.

Putin “elected mutilpe times.” LOL.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, sorry, but I'm drawing lines if one of my friends aligns with policies that are actively harmful to another one of my friends.

You’re assuming the person in question supports the CPC because of those particular policies and not in spite of them. That’s the same outlook conservatives demonstrate when they say only Canadians who are onboard with corruption could vote for the Liberals. Most people aren’t passionate, blank-cheque enthusiasts for everything the party they vote for does.

I’m frustrated by a lot of the opinions expressed by conservative supporters I know, and I’ll often call them on it. There are a couple people I’ve cut out of my life entirely because they’ve gone deep down the populist right conspiracy rathole and can’t shut up about the crazy #### they believe.

But unless you want to have a very small or very homogenous social circle, you can’t indulge in blanket condemnation of half the people in society.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

But unless you want to have a very small or very homogenous social circle, you can’t indulge in blanket condemnation of half the people in society.

You new here? I'm not picking on him but that's rube in a nutshell. Seems like a guy that's maybe has his heart in the right place but also very angry.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

You’re assuming the person in question supports the CPC because of those particular policies and not in spite of them. That’s the same outlook conservatives demonstrate when they say only Canadians who are onboard with corruption could vote for the Liberals. Most people aren’t passionate, blank-cheque enthusiasts for everything the party they vote for does.

I’m frustrated by a lot of the opinions expressed by conservative supporters I know, and I’ll often call them on it. There are a couple people I’ve cut out of my life entirely because they’ve gone deep down the populist right conspiracy rathole and can’t shut up about the crazy #### they believe.

But unless you want to have a very small or very homogenous social circle, you can’t indulge in blanket condemnation of half the people in society.

I understand your point, but I think that today, anti LGBTQ, and anti Abortion sentiment still remains strong in the CPC base. Someone who is affected by that behavior and the potential actions of that cannot look past it.

I get your average, smaller government involvement, lower taxes, fewer programs conservative can look past it, and I don't exactly blame them for it because these things are out of their world view, or do not effect them. In general I can look past that, because it is not beholden to anyone to worry about all of the problems of the world. No less, when someone says they hate conservatives who ignore their fundamental rights, they are justified in that position and are not being partisan, rather they are fighting for self preservation.

The bottom line, is a lot of Canadians, especially very religious ones, don't care about taxes or small government. They vote for the CPC because they see LGBTQ and Abortions as Evil and the work of the devil. Not only that, but they vote as a block to ensure that CPC candidates will listen to them.

If you don't like it and want to support the CPC then get involved in the party and offer a voice of reason, but you will likely be drown out by the west zion types.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Your former manager may indeed be a suckass, but I hate how toxic politics is becoming in this country where people are drawing lines in the sand on friendships & relationships based on Liberal vs Conservative.

I've always hated how Americans are divided into 2 teams and often can't even get along with someone from the other team. It's a stupid way to behave as a populous.

Funny how you mention this as I usually call my father at least twice a month to check up on him and a few weeks ago we got into a little argument regarding politics. Unfortunately his girlfriend watches Fox news and it's tainted their views of politics. I usually always try to avoid discussing politics with him but when he started ranting that the tariffs were Trudeau's fault I hat to cut him off and tell him that I don't discuss politics with people that use Fox news as their political source leading to an argument where I had to hang up on him. I kinda felt bad about how things ended so called him up the following weekend and we agreed that we won't discuss politics. I mean he's the only dad I got and I don't know how many years he has let so I'm not going to let something out of my control like politics get in the way of the relationship.