[Rumour] NHL plans to address LTIR/Cap Playoff issue in ongoing CBA discussions

[blankall]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

You're on the right track. They simply need to set a minimum number of days a player must count against the cap (injured or not) to be eligible for the playoffs.

This is such a simple solution.

Banning players who haven't played during X amount of games in the regular season is too harsh, as some players are genuinely injured.

However, just make it so their cap counts automatically from X date just solves all the issues without punishing any genuinely hurt players.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nill's suggested plan works.

It would prevent a team from spending the LTIR allowance (for lack of a better word) on an equally priced high end player or several that equal the amount. When the playoffs start if their star player (and its always a star player on LTIR it would seem) is ready to go, anything or anyone they brought in to replace them would have to sit.

Does it though? I kind of take it that teams could essentially buy up depth for injuries in a long playoff run. Lose a key contributor in the 2nd round, they can easily replace with a contributor that's being paid to sit in the press box and fill in.

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

https://www.tsn.ca/video/early-tradi...-talks~3109659

Lebrun says he has been told the NHL plans on addressing the LTIR/Salary cap in the playoffs with NHLPA in CBA negotiations.

Too early to tell what the tweaks to system will look like

Holland and Nill proposed an idea in a GM meeting where payroll can be as high as you want post deadline but on gameday in the playoffs, active roster must be cap compliant. League didn't like it, thought it was too simplistic.

No guarantee they find a solution but they will try to tackle this

That makes perfect sense, sometimes simple is good.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Does it though? I kind of take it that teams could essentially buy up depth for injuries in a long playoff run. Lose a key contributor in the 2nd round, they can easily replace with a contributor that's being paid to sit in the press box and fill in.

You just described black aces.

If a guy comes down from the press box to fill in and makes the same, thats fine. But if he comes down and puts the team over X number of dollars they need to sit people who make up that amount or he doesn't come down at all.

[memphusk]

When you leave loopholes, you're bound to get loopers.

[Groot]

No matter what they change to address the issue now, teams will just find other, new ways to abuse the new system to maximize their own gain. It's the way the system works. So don't worry about trying to come up with a detailed, nuanced system that can't be beat, because it will anyway.

Game time cap compliant roster

Minimum regular season games counted against cap (active or IR) post-trade deadline.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The league didn't like Nill's idea because it was to simple? What?

You need to add 50 different rules, and create more loopholes so teams can abuse the rule?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nill's suggested plan works.

It would prevent a team from spending the LTIR allowance (for lack of a better word) on an equally priced high end player or several that equal the amount. When the playoffs start if their star player (and its always a star player on LTIR it would seem) is ready to go, anything or anyone they brought in to replace them would have to sit.

I could see players not liking this though. It would kind of suck to get traded as a regular season injury fill in just to essentially become a black ace and sit for the playoffs because of cap concerns.

I don't think a lot of people will like this, but I think the best solution would be just to get rid of the LTIR cap exceedance rule altogether. If a player gets injured, tough tits. You now have to rely on your organizational depth. Allow for emergency call-ups that don't count against the cap. but don't allow for being able to exceed the cap by an equal amount to that of the injured player's cap hit. It would definitely add more unpredictability. Personally, I think it would be more interesting.

[lazypucker]

How hard is this thing to figure out? The 20 players for each playoff game needs to have the combined AAV to be below the cap. Whoever you iced the game before, over the regular season, whatever, doesn't matter. That's it!!

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I could see players not liking this though. It would kind of suck to get traded as a regular season injury fill in just to essentially become a black ace and sit for the playoffs because of cap concerns.

I don't think a lot of people will like this, but I think the best solution would be just to get rid of the LTIR cap exceedance rule altogether. If a player gets injured, tough tits. You now have to rely on your organizational depth. Allow for emergency call-ups that don't count against the cap. but don't allow for being bale to exceed the cap by an equal amount to that of the injured player's cap hit. It would definitely add more unpredictability. Personally, I think it would be more interesting.

Whoa there, Vegas has got pictures and they're going to use them.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Something needs to be done. You have Matthew Tkachuk skating around waiting for the playoffs to start when he will be magically cleared. Kane in Edmonton that's been ready to play for months to be magically cleared for the playoffs. Teams aren't even trying hard to hide that they are circumventing the cap and the league just continues to operate like everything is totally fine.

If it prevents Edmonton from winning again this year, I'll allow it.

[Buff]

I'm surprised we haven't made a big deal about Holland and Nill asking the NHL to change how it handles LTIR when Holland is actively abusing LTIR with Kane.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The league didn't like Nill's idea because it was to simple? What?

You need to add 50 different rules, and create more loopholes so teams can abuse the rule?

To be fair, it was done by Nill and Holland. I'm sure Nill was still working out the details when Holland called up Bettman and said "Hey, Jimmy and I got this idea!"

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I could see players not liking this though. It would kind of suck to get traded as a regular season injury fill in just to essentially become a black ace and sit for the playoffs because of cap concerns.

I don't think a lot of people will like this, but I think the best solution would be just to get rid of the LTIR cap exceedance rule altogether. If a player gets injured, tough tits. You now have to rely on your organizational depth. Allow for emergency call-ups that don't count against the cap. but don't allow for being able to exceed the cap by an equal amount to that of the injured player's cap hit. It would definitely add more unpredictability. Personally, I think it would be more interesting.

Re: the first point, NTC/NMC kind of takes care of this for many and those who don't have it, well its not that different than being traded and just not playing at all (or much). It happens unfortunately.

Re: The second point, I can't see the PA wanting to limit jobs.

[D as in David]

Will these "game-day cap compliant" rules also apply to teams that used no LTIR at all during the year but accrued cap space before the TDL and acquired higher-priced players that would put them over a "game day cap" but still salary-cap compliant for the whole year? The cap limit is not calculated on a daily basis, it is calculated over an entire season.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Something needs to be done. You have Matthew Tkachuk skating around waiting for the playoffs to start when he will be magically cleared. Kane in Edmonton that's been ready to play for months to be magically cleared for the playoffs. Teams aren't even trying hard to hide that they are circumventing the cap and the league just continues to operate like everything is totally fine.

I’m not sure Tkachuk is fully recovered. It’s not as though the Panthers are playing meaningless games - winning the Atlantic is huge, when it means the difference between playing the Sens in the first round vs the Lightning or Leafs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Re: The second point, I can't see the PA wanting to limit jobs.

I don't think it would limit jobs, because the net number of players would still be the same. The injured player would still be there as usual, just injured, and teams would still need to ice a complete roster. If anything, I think it would create more opportunity for their members. Lower guys would get moved up, and farm hands would get more call ups.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Buff

To be fair, it was done by Nill and Holland. I'm sure Nill was still working out the details when Holland called up Bettman and said "Hey, Jimmy and I got this idea!"

Was he on the toilet and was the seat up or down.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Was he on the toilet and was the seat up or down.

Probably using a communal urinal

[Bubba17]

Originally Posted by Buff

To be fair, it was done by Nill and Holland. I'm sure Nill was still working out the details when Holland called up Bettman and said "Hey, Jimmy and I got this idea!"

Holland doesn't work for the Oilers anymore. It is the cheater Stan Bowman.